[ SECRET POST #4975 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4975 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

That's a very American POV.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Arguably as much if not more English than American, as far as the history of philosophy goes, if we're to take into account the notion of mankind being of an inherently dark nature and society being ill equipped to handle said nature.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it relies on mankind having an essentially dark nature. I believe mankind is essentially good, but a utopia will never be possible because that would require no individuals with a dark nature who would take advantage of everyone else's goodness and exploit it. Mankind is good, but not all people are good, and on the end it's true that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

That's why abolishing the police is never going to work either. Most people won't commit crimes if they have all they need, but some people just love doing cruel and unusual acts for the hell of it and others will always want more than they need. The few who want more will just put a new system in place to ensure the creation of criminals all over again.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's exclusively, or even particularly, an Anglo thing, except to the extent that Hobbes was the first person to really state the doctrine cleanly.

Joseph De Maistre and all those sort of throne-and-altar conservatives, for instance, that's a very continental point of view that's just as doom-and-gloom about the powers of unaided human reason and willpower.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

On the flipside, the philosophical argument in question can just as rightly be interpreted and implemented by anarchists to their liking. It is such a broad, and ultimately vague concept to suggest mankind has a 'nature', be it benevolent, dark, or generally neutral, that it is easy to bend to the will of widely differing political and sociological agendas.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't make it wrong.

I understand, you're a European who thinks your country is a utopia or on its way there because it's not America. That's why you're in a dystopia. That's. The point.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT You think i'm a European? That's an interesting assumption. I'm from NZ.

And looking at the West in general, America looks to be doing the worst of all of our countries. I think it's easy to see where your animosity to Europe comes from, especially when you compare the US to the Scandinavian countries. Hoo boy.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon here, it's not a good look to suggest anyone is from a particular country - you both technically did that with your initial comments.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Not all countries are as culturally fractured as the US, and not as a result not all cultures consider doing things for the benefit of society as dystopic.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Literally nobody said doing things for the benefit of society was the dystopic part. For someone who hates America, your strawman sounds exactly like the kind one of our conservatives would invent.

Re: Inspired by #3

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that the whole point of libertarianism?