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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-08-22 03:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #4978 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4978 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-08-23 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Agatha Christie is not 'hard', and she explicitly doesn't fit several of the definitions given for 'hard' (protagonists are generally not LEOs; murders frequently take place outside of the city; protagonists are both men and women; murders not always described on the page)

(Anonymous) 2020-08-23 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
DA - Right? Has this person read any Agatha Christie? In fact, she's one of the first people I'd point to as at least leaning more in a "cozy" than a "hard" direction.

(Anonymous) 2020-08-23 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Christie is an interesting example in that MOST of her fiction DOES lend in a cozy direction, but not all of it does.

Miss Marple, Tommy and Tuppence and most of Poirot are undeniably "cozy" mysteries. Likeable if eccentric amateur detectives--check. Most of the violence takes place off-screen--check.

Whereas a few Poirot and some of her standalone mysteries-notably And Then There Were None- - don't really fit the cozy mold, as they do deal with directly with darker themes or more explicit violence. But even then, most of the crimes still happen off screen, justice (usually!) prevails, and most sexual or violent happens off screen, so they're sort of a hybrid between a cozy and a more traditional gritty mystery.

I think the reason people may be resistant to label Christie (and to a lesser extent Sayers) as "cozy" is that... her books are is so complex, critically acclaimed and influential on detective fiction as a whole.

As indicated by many of the above comments, a LOT of people seem to think that "cosy mysteries" are inherently low-quality and inconsequential compared to "real substantial" (i.e. darker and more violent) stuff.

But this is an oversimplification. Sure there are bound to be some duds, but there are even more amazing examples out there--including but not limited to Christie's own.

And there's also a lot of poorly-written, clumsily executed "dark and edgy" crime fiction for the matter.

(Anonymous) 2020-08-23 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
And there's also a lot of poorly-written, clumsily executed "dark and edgy" crime fiction for the matter.

You can say that again.