[ SECRET POST #4980 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4980 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/mivm4eL.png

[(Anonymous)]

100%

[(Anonymous)]

Well, of course. But at the same time, if ALL you do is complain, then maybe you don't really like it, you're hate-watching it.

[(Anonymous)]

People throw that at any kind of criticism and it's really not that common outside of some specific fandoms

[philstar22]

This is true. But in certain fandoms (Star Wars, Doctor Who), it just gets exhausting when everything is criticism all the time and no one is ever allowed to disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but YES. To some, one mention of something you dislike = OMG if you hate it so much why don't you stop watching???!!!!??? I'm sure there are some people who complain a lot, but the number of times the ayrt's comment comes up is waaaaaay more often than that.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yes. But I speak of stories where you've found a lot to love, but some things are just... off in places. Or the writers dropped the ball after a while. That kind of stuff. Sometimes you get disappointed at seeing something wonderful become a sad shell of its former self. It's because of what you originally loved about it that maybe you criticize a show's direction, or a writer's decision to introduce someone or something that takes away from the story.

[(Anonymous)]

Love the picture you chose for your secret, OP, and I completely agree. One of my favorite shows is The Big Bang Theory and in the parts of the fandom I was in, it felt like a lot of people were really defensive when anybody criticized the show. Maybe it was because so many people hated the show and would list everything wrong with it whenever someone said they liked it, but I loved the show and there were still a lot of things that it didn’t do well and needed to be criticized.

[(Anonymous)]

you know, that sounds like the precise reason this idea OP remarked on came up in the first place. enough people shitting entirely on something they hate to the faces of the people who like it -> people who like it getting defensive -> people who like it feeling like they have to forcefully defend it -> people refusing to hear anyone crit their fave's genuine flaws at all. makes sense to me.

(fwiw I hated the writing and plots on that show but I fucking love Penny, her one-liners, and her facial expressions, she was the best thing about it and I will happily say so anytime)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Penny was the best! I adored her and I was deeply annoyed by how the show treated her in the final season.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

To clarify, it was secret maker who came up with the pic, but yeah. I like it too!

[(Anonymous)]

What if I criticise and outright mock the things I love?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well... you can do that too, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

tbh my fav. fandoms are ones that are deeply, incredibly flawed (HP, Naruto) and I love them FOR and in spite OF those flaws.

They make me want to fix things, or examine things, or see if you change one little thing if other things make more sense...

Canons that have everything well developed and are solid appeal to me for reading and watching. But they don't make me want to play in their fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. Exactly, anon. I’ll watch/read and adore a well-written, well-executed canon. But I’ll spend months of my life dissecting, discussing, and outlining fixit fics for those series I liked that just never quite lived up to their promise. (To me, to be clear. Naruto being a perfect example.)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for turning my comment into a secret, secret maker anon!

[(Anonymous)]

I get it, but I don't enjoy media critique and generally avoid blogs and users who engage in it because it's a buzzkill when I'm trying to get my squee on.

I agree, intellectually, but emotionally, I will leap to the defense of certain things.

[(Anonymous)]

I do think there is often defensiveness at play sometimes because it can seem like a lot of people are criticizing everything about the piece of media, but also at play is the subjectivity of flaws and strengths, even for things that appear objective. Some people think dim lighting and misty/hazy/smoky locations make it hard to tell what is going on, while others think they add to the atmosphere, which can both be true, but if someone criticizes something they see as a flaw, but someone else sees as a strength, there will be arguments. But also people are contrary. We like to debate about things we care about. I know I do and if someone uses 'never' or 'always' or presents anything as an absolute, my mind immediately jumps to contradictory examples.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I WISH more people got this. It's so frustrating when you like (maybe even love!) something and still can't voice even a trivial bit of criticism without people getting all defensive, as though you attacked them personally.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this so much. I love my favorite canons - that's why they're my favorites - but that doesn't mean that everything about them is perfect. It just means that it's easier to overlook the things about them that I don't like.

And it's exactly BECAUSE I love the canons that I want to criticize what I felt they didn't do well.

[(Anonymous)]

I wrote about how a specific scene in something I love had some narrative problems in contradicting an earlier message from the text, and I was perplexed about why I got jumped on with the "shut up bitch it's not that deep" comments, until it occurred to me that these were fans who thought any kind of criticism was "hate." I guess I'm lucky that I run into them sparsely enough not to immediately recognize them.

[(Anonymous)]

I always say that if I didn't love my fandoms as much as I do, I wouldn't complain about them. When I actually dislike something, I just don't watch/read it.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. When I criticize something, it's because I love it and I thought it was great... except for that one part.