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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-09-01 05:37 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #4988 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know much about the founders' lives, but I appreciate and share their ideals while recognizing the utter hypocrisy lurking beneath them.

Never saw or listened to the musical because I figured it was the typical "America sucks" stuff. And I'm rather proud to be from a country founded on personal liberties and a rigorous system of checks and balances on government.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
This is just one hell of a response all around, wow

Please feel free to elucidate your understanding of history further

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Not a student of history, just a fan of the concept of "give me liberty or give me death."

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It is a good line, however vexed it is as a description of the actual practical philosophy of the founding fathers. But the main thing that's funny here is describing Hamilton as being 'America sucks' when the opposite is more or less true, it's more or less positive about the Founding Fathers, practically hagiographic in regards to Washington. It's more negative about Burr and Jefferson, largely because Jefferson was probably the most egregiously hypocritical of the founding fathers, and Burr... well... murdered Hamilton.

Obviously you can't be expected to know that if you haven't heard or listened to the musical at all. But it kinda gives the impression that you came in here, from a position of ignorance, spoiling for a really particular kind of partisan historical fight about how dumb liberals think America sucks, regardless of the actual details of the subject at hand. And I think that's funny.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my takeway isn't "America sucks" it's "America like, any political system, is a complex mess of compromises, and we have to be honest about it."

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Last time I saw or heard that quote some dipship protestors were yelling it while refusing to wear masks because "the government told them to". Not as keen on it as I used to be.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
Generally other people's and foreigners'death.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
>rigorous system of checks and balances on government

Lol.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
That was the intention. Clearly not the reality 200+ years later.

nayrt

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Just because the current administration doesn't give a fuck about checks and balances doesn't dilute the founders' intentions.

Re: nayrt

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Presidential power has been pretty consistently increasing regardless of the party holding office since FDR's election

Although the current administration is still a quantum leap in that regard
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Re: nayrt

[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2020-09-03 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
The current administration doesn't have to care about checks and balances. Congress and the judiciary do. they're the check and balance. And pretending that partisanship could not get in the way of that is a ridiculous fault in the concept.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-01 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
fantastic bait, let's see if you get more bites!

(Anonymous) 2020-09-03 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
It's honestly not bait, tho I should have expected this.


Do you know how many people praise Jefferson regarding his (written) view on slavery? J E F F E R S O N. I genuinely despise Thomas Jefferson and I'm glad kids now have a chance to do so too.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-03 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'm the OP, but I just realized you meant the first comment and.....yeah that's bait.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-18 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
It's not "bait" to say you love your country, you daft cunt. It's the view of most normal, non Extremely Online people.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Oddly enough I was thinking "Switzerland? Nah. Sweden? Nah." It didn't even occur to me that the AIRT is USAian but that seems to be the case.

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
I also thought Switzerland!

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Tbh, it's less "America sucks" and more "the guy on the $10 bill has no idea what writer's block is".

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Pfft haha

(Anonymous) 2020-09-02 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Should be the tag line right here.
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