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fandomsecrets2020-09-07 04:58 pm
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Your issue aside from the fact that cultural appropriation is entrenched in ideas of ethnic ownership of culture, is your inability to understand that we cannot, and should not place cultures into stasis to gawk at. Aside from the whole issues with the past as a foreign country and that you're trying to artificially hold onto something that has never existed in the way you think it has, you're completely ignoring the fact that the market place of ideas has made human society what it is.
You could I suppose, argue a much smaller sub set of ideas tied into cultural appropriation about hegemonic cultures subsuming everything around them, and don't get me wrong, I'll take every chance I can to get some cheeky digs in at the yanks. But you'd have to argue both that cultures have an inherent right to exist, that there's no benefit to cross fertilisation of cultural ideas to the benefit of both societies, and that there's an intrinsic benefit to keeping them like the societal equivalent of animals in zoos, whilst not coming off a a redneck chanting 'they will not replace us'.
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(Anonymous) 2020-09-08 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
Cultural appropriation is one thing. Obviously any structured intentional cultural genocide through force is self evidently an unconscionable evil. Be in England intentionally attempting to erase the Irish language, the Residential Schools in Canada and Australia, and so forth.
That is a very different matter to open competition of ideas. Though I'm sure you'll make all sorts of arguments as to what actually encompasses violence and systematic oppression of a culture.
Also I'd tag on that a very important core to all this, is that culture is inherently tied into morality (and the most important elements of anyone entrenched in the culture will hold this to be true).
Given this, there are obviously some cultures which I believe should supersede others. Enlightenment era inspired secular humanism - pretty preferable to Aztecs take on Mesoamerican culture.
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(Anonymous) 2020-09-08 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)I bet you won a confederate flag and whine about "but it's muh culture!!!!"
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i don't know what issues you're talking about, and I'm not sure why you've ascribed them to me, when I asked you some questions. I hope that's not how your committee told you to write that dissertation, but if that's how you answer questions, I'm sure your defense was wild!
anyway your air-punching makes me believe that you don't know what you're talking about, because very little I'm think about w/r/t cultural appropriation has to do with stasis.
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The questions you asked are a smaller subset of issues arising from topics connected to cultural appropriation, and the fact you think those questions speak to direct knowledge of the term show the lens you can't but help view the world through and how unequipped you are to have the conversation.
That you either do not understand, or are wilfully not comprehending the relevance of the points raised as critiques of cultural appropriation means I'm wasting my time.
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this is at best ironic coming from the fact that you assumed things about my worldview as if they were foregone conclusions, but you must understand that right?
The questions you asked are a smaller subset of issues arising from topics connected to cultural appropriation, and the fact you think those questions speak to direct knowledge of the term show the lens you can't but help view the world through and how unequipped you are to have the conversation.
Please do not tell me you wrote your dissertation like this! This is insanely illogical as a conclusion from what I said. Let me clarify if that's truly the issue. The fact that you decided to respond to views never expressed is what makes me think you don't know what you're talking about. Not the fact that you didn't like the questions, but that you leapfrogged over the conclusions you think they expressed to something that required several other assumptions you could not in any way gather from the questions without assumption that your limited perspective must have assumed where the only ones possible. The fact that you decided I must think appropriation is negative alone! You absolutely know (or should know lmao) that that's a ridiculous and intellectually dishonest way of engaging with views you don't agree with and yet???? here we are? with this dumbass way of framing?
That you either do not understand, or are willfully not comprehending the relevance of the points raised as critiques of cultural appropriation means I'm wasting my time.
No honey, I'm not engaging with things I don't necessarily and haven't expressed as my understanding, especially with someone who can't or won't tell me what their grounding is. Your last four words? God you must love irony.
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You've not offered or engaged with anything, so I sped up the process and attacked the most common arguments in defence of cultural appropriation as a negative.
Given you've not actually laid out any of your beliefs or made any substantive critique I'll ascribe what I want to you until such a time as you decide to stop being a wasteman.
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