[ SECRET POST #5013 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5013 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Rey is one half of the popular Reylo ship, what's unclear exactly?

[(Anonymous)]

Just that most of the vitriol seemed to be about Kylo, so changing Rey wouldn't make him better. It would just make the ship less mainstream (and obviously much less canon as well, because Disney).

[(Anonymous)]

No, the vitriol was thinly-veiled misogyny that came from male and female fans both. Most Reylos understood it as an enemies-to-lovers dynamic until it was strawmanned into "romanticizing abuse" and weaponized to bully and harass them.
If Reylo were a mlm ship most of fandom would've let it be because there'd be less "woke" reasons to shit on it. (Some would've slipped misogyny into it by playing the fujoshi card though)

[(Anonymous)]

really? because i dipped my toes into the fandom and it was all about rey fixing kylo with the power of her love and that he wasn't actually 'that' bad.

if it had been the enemies-to-lovers thing in the fandom reylos kept TELLING me it was i'd have actually vibed with the content. but it wasn't so i didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the cheesy shit you described may also count as enemies-to-lovers, there's no rulebook on how it SHOULD be written.

The main takeaway is that Reylos were an easy target for a massive harassment campaign to shit on teen girls for not knowing how to "ship right" with the excuse that it's woke to bully them out of it.

How the people in this thread miss the point and go "well I don't like the ship either" goes waaaaaay over my head.

[(Anonymous)]

This was my experience as well. Reylo piqued my interest after TLJ come out, but after checking out the fandom a bit I was like, "Uh. Never mind."

[(Anonymous)]

Something can receive a lot of OTT, sexist hate, and still be terrible. The two are not mutually exclusive and women being really into something en-masse doesn't give it a free-pass from criticism of it's toxic writing/tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

Big difference between criticizing a trope and starting harassment campaigns against people for enjoying said trope.

[(Anonymous)]

DA No one disagrees that the harassment and attacks were bad but not everyone who was against Reylo was an anti who just hates what women like, come on.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes? Harassment over fictional concepts is stupid and wrong? I'm not disagreeing with you there.

I'm specifically talking about how criticizing the actual writing/tropes isn't an attack on women everywhere, because I absolutely see the sentiment in fandom that it somehow IS. I can dislike something without disliking the people who like it, this is a very simple concept to understand.

[(Anonymous)]

If Reylo were a m/m ship, it wouldn't have been that big a deal because it wouldn't have caught on outside of deeper fandom anyway.

I just think it's more complicated than you're claiming.

[(Anonymous)]

No, the vitriol was thinly-veiled misogyny that came from male and female fans both.

I'm fine with Reylo, but I strongly disagree with this.

The antis were mostly women misguidedly thinking people had to be "protected" from the sexist toxicity that was Reylo. The hate came largely from a place of "How dare you pair this strong but still vulnerable young woman with they psychotic dude who abducted, tortured, and abused her! Shipping Reylo is destructive to feminism!" (I disagree with them, but I do understand their POV, even though, again, I think it's wrong.)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I agree that the antis were mostly women, but the harassment from the JCF and The Fandom Menace were mostly men.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, they'd just screech about it being "whitecock" instead, if it were m/m.