[ SECRET POST #5019 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5019 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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04. [SPOILERS for Mulan (2020)]



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05. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of child abuse]














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #718.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The ship isn't "problematic". It's a ship that you, personally, find revolting. This secret is also, clearly, about antis, who are wankers that spend a lot of time accusing people who like ""bad"" ships of being genuinely terrible people and contributing to the abuse of IRL people.

[(Anonymous)]

This secret is also, clearly, about antis, who are wankers that spend a lot of time accusing people who like ""bad"" ships of being genuinely terrible people and contributing to the abuse of IRL people.

Where are you getting this from? The secret says "there is no good faith approach to criticizing a problematic ship in fandom. Behind the moral outrage, there is always something else", some ulterior motive. It doesn't say anything about antis or people who say that liking bad ships make you a genuinely terrible person. It says that anyone who criticizes a problematic ship or expresses moral outrage has an ulterior motive.

If OP had meant to say that specifically *people who say that liking bad ships make you a genuinely terrible person* always have ulterior motives, then why didn't they say that? Are we just supposed to intuitively know that when OP says that ANYONE who criticizes a ship ALWAYS has an ulterior motive, they only mean antis? Because it really, really, really isn't what they said.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this is handwaving away the following:

1. It's perfectly reasonable to find problematic ships that the text positions as problematic. Like Harley/Joker, Lechter/Starling, or if we're going to go back to the roots of fanfic, Hamlet/Ophelia. (Yes, most of Shakespeare's plays were derivative of works that were popular at the time.)

2. And sometimes the text itself has problematic issues WRT consent, abuse, or how relationship dynamics are presented. To avoid all the recent punching bags, it's quite reasonable to be weirded out by mating-flight sex in Dragonriders of Pern.