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Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

My post isn't pro or against China or even the HK events. It's about OP thinking that they know the situation in other countries better than the people living there based on who knows what sources.

One, I don't agree with this whole idea of "they think they know the situation in other countries better than the people living there" in general. And two, it strikes me as implicitly a defense of China.

The reason that I don't agree with the idea in general is because we're all human beings and we have a responsibility to form our own moral judgments and observations on situations based on the best evidence available to us. Sometimes, it's true, there's not really sufficient evidence to form a judgment. But I don't think that's the case in this situation - the evidence that China's government is deeply authoritarian seems pretty compelling. And the whole idea of "the people who live there don't have a problem with it" has some pretty obvious holes in it in the context of an authoritarian country specifically. And it seems pretty clear that a lot of people who live in Hong Kong aren't happy about the whole thing, at the very least. So to just say that people in the West who are opposed to authoritarianism can't have an opinion on China seems simply wrong to me. People in the West don't get to dictate terms to China or to Chinese people, but they get to have an opinion on it.

The reason that I think it's implicitly a defense of China is that it seems like it's only really a relevant point if OP is wrong about the situation in China. If OP is correct about the situation in China, then yelling at them for being arrogant and presuming to know about China seems strange. It doesn't seem relevant to the conversation. On the other hand, if OP is incorrect about China, then it's a very relevant point. But if that's the case, if you're saying that OP's criticisms about the situation in China are wrong, that's a defense of China. So that's the kind of thought process.

It's also about holding Chinese actors to different standards than US/EU actors.

I agree with this part, it's a good point (although there are definitely actors you can point at who do criticize the US or EU)

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't yelled at OP? Overall I think you missed my point.

I googled 'West' to see which countries that includes. Depends on who you ask, it turns out. Is this thread going to become some weird East VS West and Them VS Us debate? I have no horse in this race.

We agree on the last point, that't not bad.

ayrt