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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-10-16 05:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #5033 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5033 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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05. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of underage/grooming]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of possible sexual harassment]

[Ryan Haywood of Achievement Hunter]















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #719.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-17 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
There's a myriad of details about this ship's canon we don't know. Just because YOU have the bad faith to interpret it as grooming doesn't mean you get to decide it's OBJECTIVELY that kind of dynamic, either.

SessRin shippers are disgusted by grooming (just like ANY NORMAL PEOPLE) yet you can't figure out why they're pissed off when you show up to smear their ship? This is Reylo wank all over again with people accusing Reylos of "romanticizing abuse" when a majority of those shippers just enjoy a classic enemies-to-lovers dynamic.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-17 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
An adult establishing a close emotional relationship with a prepubescent child for 3 years, taking care of that child, bringing them gifts, etc. and then fucking that child once she turns legal, is a groomer, whether you like it or not. You cannot claim to be disgusted by grooming and yet in the next sentence deny that the behavior, which fits all of the markings of grooming, is not actually grooming. With this comment you are proving all the people who are accusing you of minimizing child abuse right, because you are proving that you aren't merely giving fictional characters a pass for a questionable behavior, but you are actually incapable and most of all unwilling to recognize that behavior as questionable to begin with.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-17 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
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As for "showing up to smear your ship" I already told you that I disapprove of people going to people's DMs on tumblr. When you make a fandom secret, you can't demand that the only people who are allowed to interact with it must be people who fully support and agree with your secret. Especially considering that the tone you set for the secret was gleeful and mean-spirited to begin with. You didn't just say that you're happy SessRin is canon, you specifically said that you're happy to spite people who find the relationship troubling. This is how you've been interacting with every comment that wasn't 100% positive about SessRin. For some reason you seem to believe that you can be as mean and gleeful towards people, who are triggered by the ship, as you want, yet nobody is allowed to utter even one word that isn't 100% positive anywhere in your vicinity. That's extremely hypocritical of you and it does NOT endear me to your side.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-17 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Fair enough, you see Sesshomaru as a 1:1 equivalent to a sociopathic pervert uncle who knowingly targets and manipulates a vulnerable child to make a wife out of her.

The shipper sees a 500+ year old demon who doesn't understand mortal beings and isn't driven by a sexual desire towards them; his true form being a dog creature it predisposes him to bond with Rin to protect and support her any way he can. He respects Rin enough to let her live independently of him and decide for herself what SHE wants their relationship to be later. Weird? Yes. Harmless fantasy that women/girs tend to enjoy in fiction? Also yes.

Again, you're free to interpret the canon any way you like but it's rude to push your headcanon on other people. That's fandom 101.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-17 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't have to intend to harm someone to cause them harm. I've once talked with a pedophile on reddit, who insisted that "It's safer for her to have her first sexual experience with an experienced adult than with a teenager her age, who doesn't know what he's doing". He didn't have any ill intent to manipulate or harm the children he's manipulating and harming, but he still did because a romantic relationship between an adult and a child is inherently harmful and manipulative, whether the adults intends for it to be so or not. The attractiveness of the adult doesn't change that.

> The shipper sees a 500+ year old demon who doesn't understand mortal beings and isn't driven by a sexual desire towards them; his true form being a dog creature it predisposes him to bond with Rin to protect and support her any way he can.

That's not canon though. Both he, his brother, and his father had sexual relationships with humans, so clearly sexual interest in humans is natural for them. There's nothing in canon that would indicate otherwise and as far as I'm aware, the creator hasn't said otherwise either. It's ok for you to headcanon the sexual interest away if it makes you uncomfortable, but you can't expect the entire Inuyasha fandom to treat your personal headcanon as canon.

> Again, you're free to interpret the canon any way you like but it's rude to push your headcanon on other people. That's fandom 101.

Ironic.

> He respects Rin enough to let her live independently of him

Yet continues to visit her and shower her with gifts, not unlike groomers in real life.

> and decide for herself what SHE wants their relationship to be later.

You said yourself that he was courting her since she was too young to make an informed decision. That's what grooming IS.

> Weird? Yes. Harmless fantasy that women/girs tend to enjoy in fiction? Also yes.

Agreed, as long as they don't insist that everyone needs to share this fantasy. And if you think that it was wrong of me to be anything but 100% positive and approving in the comments to your secret, consider the fact that you're currently posting under a secret that was obviously not meant for you, yet it didn't stop you from commenting under it.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-17 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Real-life grooming also involves controlling behavior and isolating your victim from other people which Sesshomaru specifically does NOT do.

>That's not canon though. Both he, his brother, and his father had sexual relationships with humans, so clearly sexual interest in humans is natural for them
Lmao Sesshomaru being aro/ace is a common interpretation in the fandom because unlike his father/brother he never seems even mildly interested in ANYONE (not even Kagura). Is he obsessively lusting after Rin's booty under his deadpan poker face? There's no way to know that, it's a question 100% unanswered for now. You prefer to view him as a horny and selfish character to support your argument, but the shippers don't.

IT. IS. UP. TO. THE. VIEWER.

Again my point stands that there's several ways to interpret any story and just because your reading is the most problematic and unflattering doesn't mean it's objectively more canon-accurate than anyone else's. I don't know how many times I need to reiterate this until you get it.