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fandomsecrets2008-12-28 05:09 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2008-12-28 05:09 pm
[ SECRET POST #723 ]
⌈ Secret Post #723 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 312 secrets from Secret Submission Post #103.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: not OP
(Anonymous) 2008-12-29 05:33 am (UTC)(link)It's definitely something to be curious about. (Although I still disagree with the term bigot. I feel it's a question of did her racist stereotyping extend to bigotry.) Was she outwardly polite or did she ignore them when they spoke to her? Like you, I wonder.
What do you mean "avoid them"?
By "avoid them" I mean she stayed in circles/areas where she knew the likelihood of needing to interact with a Hispanic male would be slim. I too wonder what she did if/when she was in a situation where she would need to interact with a Hispanic male.
I'm just asking you to imagine how her behavior would affect those Hispanic men.
I can imagine a great number of situations where there's a strong lack of respect given to the Hispanic men the OP may have encountered. Plus, avoidance is also, in a sense, a lack of respect; although the men may not be aware of it like they would be with the more obvious forms of disrespect.
The reason I focus on the OP is because you've also focused on the OP. The OP posted her secret/comment and you responded to that by commenting on the characteristics of the OP. While doing so you were inadvertently defending the Hispanic men who may have been disrespected by the OP but you didn't address them directly. I responded in kind.
I'm always happy when people start questioning their own racist assumptions. That's why I didn't respond to the original secret. However, her comment [...] sounded like she was trying to justify her own prejudices and that's why I responded.
I agree. It was the last sentence in her comment that triggered me: "It boiled down to, they didn't think that white people belonged there." There she lumps together a group as having a single mindset, something which is stereotyping again. I gave her the benefit of the doubt because her secret openly states that dealing with her racist stereotyping is a work in progress, something she is "get[ting] over [...] bit by bit."
What made me respond to your comment was this: "The fact that it was a fictional character (almost certainly written by a white person) who managed to show you the error of your ways, just shows the depths of your racism." I can remember thinking something along the lines of "Woah, woah, woah! Since when is having a positive minority portrayal in fiction a bad thing? Doubly so when it makes a person realize they were taking part in racist stereotyping."
Re: not OP
(Anonymous) 2008-12-29 05:56 am (UTC)(link)Oh, I definitely wish that there were more non-white characters who were portrayed in a positive light. And I do agree that fiction can play a crucial role in fighting racism. Like you said, it's easier for white people to identity with a fictional POC than with a real one. We can only fight racism once we recognize it exists and anything that helps people recognize their own prejudices is good. That's why I didn't reply to the original secret. The wording made me cringe, but she did seem to be coming from the right place.
But, ideally, identifying with a non-white character will lead the person to identifying with non-white people. But, based on her comment, it didn't seem like she had made the next crucial step. She was still trying to justify her own prejudices and that's why I commented.
Re: not OP
(Anonymous) 2008-12-29 06:15 am (UTC)(link)Again, I agree. Not being able to look back on the past with fresh eyes and see that it didn't boil down to just "they didn't think that white people belonged there" shows that the OP still has a ways to go. I'm still relying on the secret's statement about working on it "bit by bit" to excuse that slip.
I guess I've always been more of a lure them with honey not vinegar sort of person.
Off topic, but I feel like you're probably on my friends list. LOL.