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(Anonymous) 2020-10-25 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Or.

And I can't say this loud enough.

So please lean in.

IT ISN'T REAL. AND WE ARE NOT STUPID. AND WE ARE AWARE IT ISN'T REAL.

This has to be the same crowd that "logically" believes people who play violent video games must be violent. Or listen to rap or metal music.

No, you weenies. There's a a big HONKIN difference between simulated violence and the real thing.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-25 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
DA - I understand people who watch horror movies for the purpose of being horrified. It can be cathartic to deliberately experience dark, unpleasant emotions. But I have no idea how people can have a "Lololol, watching torture porn is so fun and enjoyable!" reaction.

They may be very kind and empathetic people in real life, but they certainly have a very muted empathy reaction to the fiction they read/watch/play, and it's not something I can relate to at all.

We probably wouldn't get along, because they would feel insensitive to me. Whenever we talked about fiction and they were laughing delightedly about watching people get cruelly murdered, I'd be like, ew, no, can't relate.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
da but I mean... it's fiction. That's exactly the appeal. You can root for the asshole to die horribly because they're not real. You can watch them get their just desserts and not feel bad about it because there are exactly zero real-world consequences to it.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
That's not how it works for a lot of people. When I think about horrible cruelty, I react to it like I'm thinking about horrible cruelty. I don't think it's funny because "lol not real."

I'm not going to watch The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and be like, "And then her social worker holds her down and violently anally rapes her, it's fucking hilarious!" That's not how I relate to fiction AT ALL, and I don't think I'd get along with someone who did relate to fiction that way. We're just very different people.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
But I have no idea how people can have a "Lololol, watching torture porn is so fun and enjoyable!" reaction.

Because it's so incredibly unrealistic. Blood doesn't look like that. Innards don't look like that. Bodies don't work that way, at all. It's as deeply absurd as the buckets of blood in the original Evil Dead movie, just given a high SFX gloss. The entire genre is so incredibly over the top that if it doesn't straight gross you out, there's a good chance of it coming down on the side of hilarious. Because what the fuck, human beings actually wrote and filmed this shit and never once stopped and went "wait, is this remotely physically possible?"

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 06:03 am (UTC)(link)
Because it's so incredibly unrealistic.

Uh. Not in every movie, it's not. There's plenty of quite realistic maul/torture/murder fiction out there.

Also, if it's so badly done, why watch it at all? Like I said to begin with, I just don't get along with people who relate to fiction this way. We don't vibe, and that's fine.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
I find it disturbing that anyone on either side would know for sure how realistic their fictional torture is. Fictional torture is fine! But how do you know its level of realism unless you've seen the real thing?

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 11:03 am (UTC)(link)
There are other ways for people to have seen real-life blood, guts, and viscera than by torture.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
...Because of the framework of film. Every bit of context tells your brain basic common sense. "This isn't real because movies aren't real. This chair I'm sitting in, the screen I'm looking at, the decision I made to watch a horror film, the ticket I purchased or the title I chose on streaming all tell me this is a fake horror movie."

All that context tells you it isn't real. You don't have to watch a single LiveLeak video to know that the movie you're watching isn't the real thing. You just need, I dunno. A brain.

And so, knowing it isn't real. Because it isn't. Means you can enjoy it. Knowing that all these nice actors and filmmakers go home to their dogs and their salads and their average-schmaverage tax-paying lives means that this isn't real so it can be entertainment.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

The context of this argument is that someone said that watching torture porn is fun and enjoyable because it looks obviously unrealistic.

"Because it's so incredibly unrealistic. Blood doesn't look like that. Innards don't look like that. Bodies don't work that way, at all. It's as deeply absurd as the buckets of blood in the original Evil Dead movie, just given a high SFX gloss. The entire genre is so incredibly over the top that if it doesn't straight gross you out, there's a good chance of it coming down on the side of hilarious. Because what the fuck, human beings actually wrote and filmed this shit and never once stopped and went "wait, is this remotely physically possible?""

That post isn't saying "it's fun because I know rationally that it's not real", it's saying "it's fun because it appears to be unrealistic". Something can still appear to be realistic even with the knowledge that it's not real. The post that started this thread is making a really fundamentally different point than the one you're making here.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
...You don't need to have seen real torture to know how human bodies work, anon. Do you also think people who criticize the way characters in action movies rebound without any lingering effects from a serious blow to the head or walk off a gunshot wound are in the habit of cracking skulls and shooting people?

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
So you hate these movies and anyone who watches them, but you're familiar enough with them to know how realistic they are? Sure.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, this shit isn't real?

Tch, all this training I've been doing up to now in my quest to rob a bank in the wild west by playing videogames has been for nothing...

Seriously though, hard agree.

I'm not into torture porn, mostly because I can't suspend my disbelief (I am not the commenter from above). It's the same as horror for me, I don't understand, and literally cannot get my head around, how it scares people, because it's clearly not real. They know it isn't real. It's really bizarre to me. The idea of being frightened by something that you know is not real is strange to me.

Why should people empathise with something that's so obviously fake? I don't get why people are into torture porn, because it seems a really strange thing to thoroughly enjoy to the point of being a superfan of, but at the same time, I don't think people who are into it are psychos or violent. I also don't understand why people are into Hallmark movies, moeblob anime or reality TV.

But getting weird about people being into that because of the obviously fake content? Why? It's not real. Everybody knows its not real. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what happens to the characters, because ... they aren't real.

I'm not going to make a moral judgement on the people who do like that, even if it's absolutely not to my tastes, because ... who cares? They know it's fake. You know it's fake. I know it's fake. Every-fucking-body knows its fake. Who gives a shit.

(Anonymous) 2020-10-26 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
The idea of being frightened by something that you know is not real is strange to me.

I mean, why watch fiction at all, if it has to be real in order for you to feel emotionally connected to it? None of it's real. How can the romance move you, when it's just a fictional construct? How can you enjoy the building tension of "will they get away with [thing]?" when you know there's no "they" and there's no thing "they" are trying to get away with?

It seems inconsistent to me to say, "I don't get how people can be scared by horror fiction when they know it's not real," but have all these other forms of fiction where you presumably do understand how people can have the provoked emotional reaction to it, despite the fact that it's not real.
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