[ SECRET POST #5049 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5049 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[this was a text secret, I just screencapped it - I'm not one of the pretty secret makers, sorry]


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Comments

Re: Non fandom secrets

[(Anonymous)]

I can sympathize with this, yeah. I'm pretty freaking liberal, myself, and I had other candidates I was particularly supportive of during the primaries.

But yeah, I've got no issue with Biden himself, and I think he'll do just fine as president. For one thing, it doesn't matter who the Democratic candidate is-we could have the most progressive candidate this party's ever seen, and yet the fact remains that they're still going to be spending an awful lot of time cleaning up all the mess Trump and his cronies have left behind and setting things right with our government and our allies and whatnot again. That could affect their ability to implement certain policies to some degree. I know patience is in pretty short supply in this country right now, and understandably so. But we may have to continue allowing for some of that for a while even if the Democrats win, because this shit ain't gonna resolve itself overnight.

For another, people really need to also understand they aren't just voting for Biden alone. He may not be as progressive as some would like, but he could still have people in his administration who are, and who could help steer him in that direction. And if the Democrats do get full control of Congress, that will hopefully make it at least a little easier to get some of those policies enacted as well. Hence why down-ballot voting is just as important as voting for president, if not more so. I think too many people seem to forget or overlook that fact.

And if the Democrats have full control of everything and people still feel they aren't doing enough to support progressive policies, then keep encouraging them towards doing so. Unlike the GOP, they'll actually listen to people.

The choice is pretty easy: We can rather have someone in office who we can agree with some of the time and who will still listen to us, or we can have someone in there who we don't agree with at all and who not only won't listen to us, but will actively try to silence us. It's really not that hard a decision.

Re: Non fandom secrets

[(Anonymous)]

For another, people really need to also understand they aren't just voting for Biden alone. He may not be as progressive as some would like, but he could still have people in his administration who are, and who could help steer him in that direction... And if the Democrats have full control of everything and people still feel they aren't doing enough to support progressive policies, then keep encouraging them towards doing so. Unlike the GOP, they'll actually listen to people.

Not so much to argue, but to try to provide some context for peoples' dissatisfaction, I think a lot of it comes from the experience of Obama's presidency. Not just that Obama's policies were often to the right of where progressives would like, but in the perception that progressives were locked entirely out of the administration and that the Obama administration didn't listen to progressives and listened to, and appointed to positions of power, bankers and lobbyists instead.

So there's a fear that this is just going to happen again: that as soon as the election is over, if (God willing) Biden wins, the left of the party will get immediately shut out, and that we'll start hearing excuses about how the government actually can't do anything to help people out, and we'll get bankers appointed to all of the top economic positions, and we'll start hearing about how big of a problem the deficit is, and how we need to respect Republicans and be bipartisan, and all of the other old lines.

And I think, frankly, that's a reasonable fear to some extent. Establishment Dems have done all of this before. That doesn't guarantee they'll do it again - 2020 is a much different year than 2009, and the left of the party is much more organized now - but the reasons for people to be skeptical of establishment Dems do exist. And I think it's good to be prepared for the possibility. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't elect Joe Biden - I think all of this conversation is mostly separate to the question of whether we should elect him, of course we should elect him. But, if we elect him, the work of governing is just as important.

Bottom line is, I think it's ultimately incumbent on Democrats to earn peoples' trust, and they have a lot of work to do on that.