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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-12-30 05:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #725 ]


⌈ Secret Post #725 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Frankie Boyle]


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[A Little Night Music; Henrik]


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105. [not a secret]


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[Joe Biden, Political RPS]


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[Fairy Tail]


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[Pirates of the Caribbean]


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[Supernatural]


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[Gunnerkrigg Court]


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[Team America: World Police]


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[Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat]


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[Soul Eater]


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[Heroes]


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[Gurren Lagann]


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[The Sound of Music]


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[Code Geass, Diethard Reid]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 179 secrets from Secret Submission Post #103.
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Re: 137

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
I agree but canon has strips from many different timelines and while the characters do react in different ways their basic personality doesn't change - say, England is always tsundere, foul-mouthed and often rude (he's been like that ever since he was a child), adult America is always tsun-tsun with England, and he always has a well-mannered (though as an adult, somewhat condescending) speaking style, and so on.

As I said above (try finding out which anon I am! :D) I love angst and introspection and stories that explore various moments and events in history, and I'm all for freedom of interpretation, but as far as the characters go, sometimes I think that some authors don't even care about what they're interpreting. They're just writing their own ideas of the characters.

Re: 137

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, see, there I'm with you. I love the potential for diversity, but that also means playing in the canon sandbox sometimes and not getting stuck with one of the alternative interpretations as a fandom cliche.

Maybe some of this stems from the fact that so many writers for America are American. When people write for their own country, they do so with a whole other level of knowledge and perspective that can be hard to keep separate from the story. Personally, I write a lot for a few countries which aren't my own but which I know a lot about/have lived in/am focusing on in my studies, so I know that must color my characterization somewhat. Must watch out for that.

(Actually, I wonder if this is why Japan ends up as the straight man "observer" figure so often-- maybe Himaruya ran into the same issue at some point?)

This fandom has some strange debates.

Re: 137

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it probably has to do with people having different ideas about their own country (or other countries for that matter) than canon... which is fine, as is writing those different ideas in fanfic, but those are not Hetalia fanfics. Sure, fanfic is about exploring canon but in my opinion canon should always be used as sort of a compass and not as an alternative.

(For example, this is just a small pet peeve but my heart always hurts a little whenever I see America swearing left and right, or England being literary and formal, or Japan and Austria not being polite and formal, etc. It's possible to can explore their personalities without changing the way they speak. Though I'm sure that this is partly due to knowing canon via translations.)

As for Japan, I think it may be partly this, and partly the fact that Japan is an alien in this company, so to speak, so he falls naturally into this role. I mean, the European (and related) countries either share the same culture or at least are familiar with each other's habits, but for Japan it's all "what are these people on? I don't get it!" Like in the strip in which Japan freaks out over seeing Italy and Germany half-naked on a hot summer day. (Sure, China is in a similar position but we usually see him interacting with the Asian countries and Russia.)

Re: 137

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I was under the impression that HISTORY was the canon and Hidekaz is making a webcomic that's basically a fanwork interpretation of history. I think it defeats the purpose of Hetalia if it in itself becomes "canon" and people aren't allowed to explore the countries that the characters are based on.

Re: 137

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 10:56 am (UTC)(link)
Hello? HISTORY is canon in Hetalia, genius. People can interpret it pretty freely within the realm of 'canon,' and frankly, I enjoy it when they do. Exploring the traits or history of a country in Hetalia doesn't have to be so limiting like you apparently think it needs to be.

Re: 137

(Anonymous) 2008-12-31 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
Actually England isn't foul mouthed and rude all the time, he's usually is prim and proper unless provoked (usually by France or America). Remember, he basically worships the social mores of being a gentleman. Adult America isn't really tsun-tsun (a great example, funnily enough what England is to France), his teasing on England is more of a tsundere trait.

I think the authors are more into interpreting what the character would feel in a certain situation that their more comedic sides would not really fit and also taking the fact that the Nations' personality is partially made up of the countrymen's feelings for a certain event.

I mean, it's perfectly valid when it's situation when the humor calls for it, even when even the canon series take a step out of the usual humor and show glimpses of characters outside of their normal humorous selves, it's not surprising that the fandom would do the same for serious fics.