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[ SECRET POST #5052 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5052 ⌋

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porque no los dos

As a PWD, how did they offend PWDs? I must know.

The usual: https://www.themarysue.com/disabled-representation-cyberpunk-2077/ I think there was also something about how it’s morally ambiguous to save someone with prosthetics rather than letting her die? I don’t really remember.

I think there's a frequent issue with cyberpunk as a genre where, thematically, one of the things that cyberpunk wants to talk about is dehumanization and alienation, and one of the things cyberpunk uses to talk about that is mechanical augmentation of human beings. And that's obviously going to be fraught when it comes to disability issues, because it's really easy to imply that needing mechanical assistance or augmentation makes you less human. And I get the impression 2077 didn't do a good job threading that particular needle.

Not OP, but I googled around a bit and it seems to mostly be a clash between the 'bodily augmentation is scary and evil' school of cyberpunk and the 'prosthetics are a real thing please stop fearmongering' school of Real Actual People With Prosthetics.
Personally, while I understand that the original idea was that of corporations owning ever larger chunks of people's lives and bodies, and such prosthetics and augmentations just being a sort of symbolic extension of capitalism in the cyberpunk setting, it's a bit tired now, and it could do with a bit of evolution. I know my dad would fucking love robot legs, instead of the semi-functional pain generators he has.

I think it's a pity that they go so hard for the "scary augmentation" thing when there's so much that could be done with "and now a corporation owns parts of your body". Like, your dad gets his robot legs, yay...but they're implanted into his body and if he falls behind in repayments they will be removed. Hey, has he considered getting these even better legs and going to work security for the corporation? He'll get a leg discount and be able to shoot lasers from his knees (and also have a 50/50 chance of dying at his new job at which point they remove the legs and re-sell them...)

Knee lasers! :D

I think this was touched on in some book...arrgh, can't think.
I want to say 'The Expanse', but I don't think so.

*Someone* out there went that route, but who....?

I would have said that’s Deus Ex’s thing. You know, with lifetime requirements to take expensive medicine so your body doesn’t reject your augmentations.

Hrmmmmmmm. I've never heard of Deus Ex (but I don't play video games, so.....)

Wasn't there a movie where you got organs and if you couldn't pay, you had to give them back....?

This will drive me nuts all day. :D

REPO, the Genetic Opera. It's a musical. I don't remember it very well but it had a moderate fandom in its day and I'm pretty sure it's what you're thinking of.

There were two - the first one was 2008's "Repo: The Genetic Opera", and the second was 2010's "Repo Men", both with the same premise. I prefer the 2008 one, and shall now be singing "Zydrate comes in a little glass vial. A little glass vial? A little glass vial!" all day.

(Tabaqui not logged in.)

I am familiar only with the name. I've never read a fic or a synopsis, so - something else....
AH HA - Repo Men. A movie I barely remember, but that was the premise of it.

The anime No Guns Life does handle this subject, somewhat, in case you're interested. It's a fun cyberpunk series with some noir overtones.

Thanks for the replies.

For the record: I am an above the knee leg amputee and have been for as long as I can remember.

Reading the Mary Sue article, I immediately thought he was referring more to people who get split tongues or sub-dermal implants rather than people who are actually disabled. People already get surgeries to make themselves look like cats and Barbie Dolls so when the technology comes where humans could implant a laser in their arm I'm sure people will. If I could, I would get digitigrade feet.

I'm a bigger fan of the Ship of Theseus outlook of cyberpunk in general. How much of yourself can you replace before you're no longer you?

But I'm also a huge fan of REPO! The Genetic Opera so there's that, too.

The absolutely shitty art is enough reason not to buy for me!

lol nevermind I'm an idiot.

The booya, ultaviolence trailer put me way off.

The vibes I've been getting off of the trailers is "future GTA, let's do crime and fuck shit up for the fun of it." And that's a real turn-off after Shadowrun and Extreme Meatpunks did a better job of presenting a punk ethos beyond "the future is shit."

DA
I've only watched the reveal trailer, and I remember it opened with some dude with a gun introducing the setting as the shittiest city in America, or something along those lines. I knew just from that trailer that it wasn't a game for me, and everything else I've heard of it has only reinforced that impression. I'm only surprised so many others didn't pick up on that vibe from the first trailer.

What's this ethnic group & trans people disrespect? Since the other issue was addressed up thread? (And yes I googled, but I'm not familiar).

https://kotaku.com/bringing-a-katana-to-a-gunfight-1845257825

Comments: “There were huge racial issues with the Haitian gang in the E3 demo from last year, too.” “You have Latinos all depicted as low-rider Mexican Catholicism and some weird gang depicting White Americans as some mix between student nights out and extreme nationalism.”

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/e3/2019/6/12/18662443/cyberpunk-2077-trans-advertisement-cd-projekt-red-e3-2019

as a disabled trans person IDGAF
still gonna buy and play the shit outta it

I will pirate this game out of respect to former CD-Action crew before they became CD-Project Red. Plus - I like cyberpunk but ...

CDR cocked up with Witcher big time on race and ethnic discource. They set their game in mythological Poland and somehow everyone was white (historically false) until 3rd game where international publishers forced them to change it. There was also a lot of homophobia chucked around when discussing queerness in game and so on so forth. Sapkowski is one of my most hated authors so never played those games but followed media on them.

Since Poland is going to hell in a fundie handbasket now and current CDR team sounds like they sympathise with the government (of course that is their personal lives that should not affect their work but in my experience we always want to somehow express our viewpoints) - their Cyberpunk might be pro totally libertarian free market but with some christian values intermixed.

I hope I am wrong.

> never played those games

okay then

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