[ SECRET POST #5068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5068 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


01.
[19 Days]



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02.
[Love is Hard for an Otaku]


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03.
[The Three Investigators books]


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04.
[Princess Weiyoung]


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05.
[The Witches]


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06.
[Watcher Entertainment]


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07.
[Mike Chen/Strictly Dumpling]


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08.
[Event Horizon]


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09.
[19 Days]


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10.
[The Killing]


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11. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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12. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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13. [WARNING for mention of rape]



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14. [WARNING for mention of underage fiction]



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15. [WARNING for mention of underage fiction]




















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #725.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It is a big gay deal, it's not a big gay-men-about-to-fuck deal because they're not men and they don't really do human sex. But the screenplay doesn't leave much doubt that their relationship is the most important thing in creation for them.

[(Anonymous)]

it's every other bromance show out there, just without a woman or two to throw at either of the leads at the end as a no-homo. the show fully lets you ship it, but that's leagues apart from being actually gay.

[philstar22]

My understanding is that the characters are asexual and that it is actually as shippy as it is possible for them to get given that they don't do human-like sex and sexual interactions. It is a real romantic gay relationship, just not one that takes the usual form humans are familiar with.

[(Anonymous)]

Funny how it looks very much like a bromance between two straight guys then and can be interpreted as such by the audience. Don't get me wrong - I am rooting for the gay. I just think the way Good Omens was made has left more room for plausible deniability than a good percentage of fandom cares to believe.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you'd have to have pretty clueless straight-person goggles on to not think the romantic interpretation is BY FAR the most natural and obvious Occam's-Razor one. I mean, I know there are people who ARE that clueless, but I don't see any reason to judge our rep by their standards.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course they're not "actually" gay. They don't "actually" exist. Neither are Cas/Dean.

Bromance generally requires that the characters "no-homo" themselves and each other and be unimpeachable masculine, not have one character dress in women's-styled clothing for most of the series and the other like an Oscar Wilde cosplayer. Bromance requires that the persons involved be visibly uncomfortable when read as queer, which never happens in Good Omens. Bromance requires for characters to be awkward about how displays of affection might be read, which also never happens in Good Omens.

Add to that a plot where the primary conflict involves the two protagonists defying fundamentalist laws that demand death for their relationship, and how dare people read them as metaphorically gay?

[(Anonymous)]

I think the fundamental question is: can something be open to various interpretations and also be queer rep?

I say yes, absolutely. Different interpretations are baked in when it comes to fiction. They're a feature, not a bug.

I think if one person sees it as gay rep and another person sees it as ace rep, it's possible that both are correct. There doesn't have to be only one correct interpretation. I think that's what Gaiman was getting at when he refused to give only one answer - because it doesn't have only one answer. Nor does it have to.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, lgbtq rep is more than shipping. It's also about lgbtq people who are comfortable with themselves and don't give a fuck about conforming to straight norms of presentation.

[(Anonymous)]

And for the record, my personal interpretation is asexual/queer-romantic. But it's absolutely not "bromance" because the entire premise of bromance demands that friendships among men must be clarified as platonic and gender-conforming.

[(Anonymous)]

This is what I think, too. I think that their relationship can easily be interpreted the way most of fandom wants - two people in love, even without them explicitly saying so or having sex onscreen. But IMO, it can just as easily be interpreted as a deep friendship/bromance and there are some fans who object very strongly to that opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

Found the person who massively overhyped the gay...

[(Anonymous)]

Hahahahahaha