[ SECRET POST #5068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5068 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


01.
[19 Days]



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02.
[Love is Hard for an Otaku]


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03.
[The Three Investigators books]


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04.
[Princess Weiyoung]


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05.
[The Witches]


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06.
[Watcher Entertainment]


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07.
[Mike Chen/Strictly Dumpling]


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08.
[Event Horizon]


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09.
[19 Days]


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10.
[The Killing]


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11. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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12. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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13. [WARNING for mention of rape]



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14. [WARNING for mention of underage fiction]



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15. [WARNING for mention of underage fiction]




















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #725.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The wording of this makes me think you really hate Dean and also really don't get his character at all.

[luxshine]

Same. I don't recognize Dean from the description of the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, OP comes across like they read/write lots of Dean-bashing stories. Which is fine. Dean is not a real person. I'm just saying, the hate-boner is real, and it's obvious.

[tabaqui]

Right? Like 'how can I make a secret about how much I hate Dean without coming right out and saying I hate Dean....'

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I hate Dean but "controlling and manipulative" are not tendencies I particularly associate with him.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, controlling yes from what I remember, but manipulative no.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean he completely and fully gaslit his brother regarding the angel Dean had helped trick into possessing him, and then when Sam understandably got mad and said he had trust issues, he darvo'd the conversation and implied that Sam a terrible brother for refusing to agree to do violate Dean's autonomy similarly. this convo was the most manipulative thing I've ever seen. this is all made grosser in that possession is very much a metaphor for sexual assault in-show.

[(Anonymous)]

I genuinely think he's a manipulative controlling person, I have no problem saying that, lol. I find him really compelling as a character tho!

forgot to say I'm the OP

[(Anonymous)]

Also, lmao, I get his character just fine. His controlling and manipulative nature being justified by the framing (and understandable considering his unconventional upbringing and the anxieties they created and the trauma of hell) doesn't mean he isn't controlling and manipulative. Seasond 4 and 5 was a full masterclass in how to shit on your brother, and Season 6 and 7 was downright abusive behavior on his part. And then Gadreel, holy fuck.

Re: forgot to say I'm the OP

[(Anonymous)]

DA but I agree with you, OP. It's one of the things that put me off the show back in the day, and he HAD been my favorite! I even called the phenomenon of a male lead's shitty behavior being justified by the narrative "Dean Winchester syndrome" (Rick Grimes was another prominent example for me).

Re: forgot to say I'm the OP

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, and I'm not saying Dean isn't an enjoyable character! I enjoy dean, but it's really clear that the narrative is on his side in his perspective, and so sam's attempts at autonomy, flawed thought they tend be, are treated much less favorably than dean's attempts to limit his autonomy, and dean's attempts are manipulative and controlling.

Re: forgot to say I'm the OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, what turned me off was always that while both of them made objectively bad/selfish decisions from time to time (which is good! because they're both flawed characters and I enjoy that!), Dean tended to get the final word more often than not, which in turn led the fandom in the perception that he was right and just to do what he did, and the bad takes about Sam only made me more sympathetic to what he was going through, honestly.

Re: forgot to say I'm the OP

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly! You feel me. Neither of them are uwu baby cinnamon rolls, but the show's validation of their relationship meant that any challenge to that relationship from Sam was treated as if he was betraying Dean instead of like, being a person. Dean's infrequent challenges to their relationship, not so however.