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[ SECRET POST #5074 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5074 ⌋

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[The Thick of It]

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[Arknights]

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Is it not possible to say that you disagree with the Destiel arguments without comparing it to TJLC? Is there some law that requires people to compare it to TJLC? FFS

I mean, as someone that was involved in both fandoms, there's a lot of similarities? I don't know why someone wouldn't draw the connection. Absolute mountains of incredibly intricate fan meta about how the colors of plaid in Dean's shirt are the set designers confirming Dean as bisexual (much as the "bisexual lighting" in John's stag night was the set designers confirming John's), hours of video on YouTube about how Destiel is 100% Canon and This is Why (as there were for Johnlock), the finale absolutely bombing because it didn't make the pairing endgame, the conspiracy theories surrounding "censorship" and alternate versions from other sources... it's very much the same situation. Destiels just didn't have a snappy tag like TJLC.

DA I’ve heard some people calling it Destielgate, but yeah, that doesn’t sound as cool as The Johnlock Conspiracy.

People strenuously arguing that a ship is canon is hardly unique to these two examples. That's practically the definition of fandom.

And alternate versions from other sources - what were the alternate versions from other sources in TJLC? That's the part that I don't understand. As far as I'm aware, the "alternate version" in TJLC was something that they had made up out of whole cloth and that never actually existed. On the other hand, the "alternate version" in Supernatural is something that actually aired as an episode of the TV show Supernatural. I don't think that it's a correct argument to treat that as the official version, but it's still quite a big difference when the argument is based on a production error that actually occurred and showed up on screen, as opposed to a completely hypothetical made-up episode of telvision that was invented out of thin air and never existed in any sense at all.

but there are literally people taking a production error as solid canon proof that their ship was 'censored' when that's clearly not true, how is that any less barmy than people staunchly claiming there was a secret 4th episode? it's just as deluded and stupid.

I agree that it's *wrong* but I think it is at least an order of magnitude less deluded and stupid.

The scene where it sees like canon actually did, in fact, air on television. I agree that the correct explanation for why it aired on television is "there was a production mistake". The alternate theory "it was always intended to be canon but there was censorship of the American version" is clearly wrong. But it is at least a theoretically viable explanation of something that actually happened. There is a fact there, and there is a cogent (though incorrect) theory to explain it.

On the other hand, with TJLC, they never even reached that hurdle. People literally created a fake episode that never existed and never aired to prove that the ship was intended to be canon. It's not even wrong. It's completely delusional and divorced from any kind of reality.

There are different degrees of wrong, and TJLC is much more wrong and much more delusional.

I don’t think it was an error so much as a translation choice. It’s true that you typically don’t use “amar” platonically, but it’s not the first time Cas has said it in the Latin American dub. I figured they went with “te amo” and “yo a ti” to convey the gravity of Cas’s sacrifice because you’re not gonna casually say that to your best friend and “te quiero” doesn’t convey the same weight.

Truth be told, I read it as romantic in both languages (and Dean saying he loves Cas too also gives the impression that Cas’s greatest happiness wasn’t in telling Dean he loved him, but in hearing that Dean loved him too, which I really liked), but the Latin American dub is the only one that made that choice so far (the Brazilian Portuguese and Indian rumors have both been debunked).

I think people just have a hard time accepting that a show they loved so much and invested so much passion into had a horribly disappointing ending that undid a lot of character development. If Cas hadn’t made that confession to Dean or if the confession had been addressed with Dean meeting Cas in heaven, the fandom may not have imploded so badly.

The definition of fandom? C'mon, that's stretching it. Fandoms of most ship aren't like this. Lots of shippers have no expectation of their ships becoming canon (because they ship very fanon pairings or something).

You are 100% right and the comparison makes a lot of sense. Don't-Compare-It-To-TJLC!Anon seems to have an overwhelming degree of contempt for TJLC, and at least a minor degree of allegiance with Destiel. Nothing else really explains how bothered they are that one instance of shipping madness is being compared to another instance of shipping madness that is very obviously similar.

Yeah, that's what I've kinda gathered, haha. No one wants to believe that they're lumped in with "the crazies." I say that, again, as someone that was heavily involved with both fandoms, so I get the hurt. I do. But in the end, it was on us for reading way, way, way too deeply into things that weren't there (which is fun! I love doing that shit) and putting so much emotional investment in the outcome. It sucks! But it's the exact same thing happening again, and I don't really get trying to say otherwise.

I don't think the comparison actually holds (see my post elsewhere in the thread why) but the other thing that's baffling to me is that people keep repeating the comparison over and over. It's not like this is the only time something like this has happened, so why keep repeating an unfair comparison that seems designed to paint the Destiel crowd in the most negative light possible?

the comparison holds because they're doing the exact same thing and the only reason you wouldn't be able to see that is if you straight-up are believing the bullshit coming out of the shippers mouths. and it is bullshit, there is no network on earth that would go to the tail-spinning lengths to hide a gay ship in this manner, because the simple reality: the writers had no intention of making destial canon, ever, is not something the shippers want to hear. they want to be right, they want to be the poor disenfranchised victims who were done wrong by an evil, evil network. because that gets way more attention than 'i put 10 years of my life into this show and my ship got a moment of fanservice and that was it'.

they're also harassing the staff and crew so this negative light is more than earned imo.

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