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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-12-03 07:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #5081 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5081 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
No...? I think you're misunderstanding here. I'm not talking about treating the characters as real within the context of the story. Of course all writers do that. Leslie Klinger didn't write the Sherlock Holmes stories. That was Arthur Conan Doyle. Klinger is the editor, who wrote the annotations, so basically this book is the short stories written by ACD, with footnotes by Klinger. I thought the footnotes would be background and historical context for details in the story, which is cool and what I wanted.

But in addition to that, Klinger writes the notes as if all the characters and all the events were real, and tries to reconcile what are, IRL, continuity errors. He's approaching a fictional text like it's non-fiction. Imagine if someone went through the Harry Potter books trying to seriously figure out where Hogwarts was, who the Dursleys really were in real life, what was up with Snape's childhood, etc. etc. I thought that approach would be neat, but it feels weird to read about someone treating fictional characters like they're historical figures.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2020-12-04 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Hrmmm.
I guess I'd have to read it to know if I liked it or not. It sounds interesting if you're a big SH buff (which I'm not).

Sorry you didn't like it.

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I'm curious to know what you found weird about it? Just an interesting reaction

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
I can understand if it's not your cuppa, but it's weird to me that you're so weirded out by something that's been going on since probably before the Titanic went down. It's like if someone decided to peruse the Star Trek corner of Ao3 and got all freaked out by people shipping Kirk and Spock.

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
That's what The Game is all about, though. It doesn't mean Klinger really thinks they are historical figures, it's just fun. Not for you perhaps, but hardly 'weird', any more than fanfic.

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
They could put a disclaimer that they don't really think it's real.

I liked the shoulder VS leg and real life drugs VS fiction talks in fandom, however visiting Baker st in London was a bit boring - like why? It's just a house.

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
That actually makes a lot of sense to me, and I can see why it would turn you off. I really enjoyed annotated books that explain all of the historical details and references and context. I also enjoy the Holmes fan-game where you try to pretend that the books are real and explain away why Watson's wife called him James that one time. But if you tried to do both at the same time, it would take a massively big wink to pull it off. I'd rather just have the annotations.
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[personal profile] tree_and_leaf 2020-12-04 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Does it help to know that's a long standing tradition in Holmes fandom? Doesn't mean you have to enjoy it, but it's not because anyone is delusional - it's just how that fandom does it.

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
DA - And not just the casual side of fandom. There are actual academic arguments about whether it's more likely that Mary Watson died in childbirth or in the '92 flu epidemic. They're glorious, and everyone involved knows that 1)Mary Watson wasn't a real person and 2) ACD killed her off because it was easier than trying to make the plot work around her.

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[personal profile] tree_and_leaf 2020-12-04 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure John Le Carre doesn't think he's married to Sherlock Holmes on the astral plane, for instance :)

(Anonymous) 2020-12-04 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
If he does, at least he has fun with it :)