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I honestly do feel like the selfish Nice Guy is a very common trope, but I’m not sure if it’s paired up with female badass characters as much as OP claims it is.

For the most part Logan from Dark Angel wasn’t this kind of dude (despite the actor apparently being sleazy af).

Will from Alias was also not this kind of dude. To my memory, he loved Syd really unconditionally, and never put his hang-ups off on her.

Obviously Ross was 100% this kind of dude, and one could argue that Rachel became kind of “badass,” in her own very sitcomy way. But it’s a bit of a stretch.

Neither Logan nor Piz was really this kind of dude on Veronica Mars, to my recollection. I mean, Logan had issues out the wazoo, and was definitely a “bad boy” boyfriend, but he also…did a surprisingly decent job of mostly not taking shit out on Veronica, and when he did he usually admitted he was wrong and basically was prepared to kick his ego into a trash can for her forgiveness. And given that Piz never really had her heart, and on some level everyone knew he was sloppy seconds, he was honestly a pretty nice, remarkably non-insecure dude. (though I could be misremembering, S3 of VM was not one I rewatched much.)

Dawson was totally this kind of dude, but was Joey “badass”?

Aeryn was badass and Crichton was not this kind of dude, thank god.

Lee got pretty fucked up over Kara, but it was very mutual. They were both just really messed up people, for very understandable reasons.

Oh! Oh! Roger from Outlander. Fuck that guy. I stopped watching because of him. He was The Worst. (It's possible he got better? But I hated him so much I quit watching when I found out he was sticking around.)

All of my examples are two decades old (except Outlander). It’s a problem, lol.

The current politically correct fandom consensus is that all female characters are badass unless they're too problematic. All a character has to do to be badass is:

1. Exist.
2. Be female

I've given S3 of Veronica Mars a rewatch a couple times and honestly Veronica's relationship with Piz was one of the very few highlights of that season. And even though I'm not a fan of LoVe I do agree that Logan wasn't like Xander. He was a really well fleshed out character. He was protective of Veronica but he also knew she could take care of herself a lot of times.
She's taken care of him and saved him from danger and he never made any comments about how it hurts his ego. The hotel scene in season 1 is probably one of my favorite scenes in the show. Logan finally realizing his mom is gone and Veronica is just holding him even though at that time they had a tense relationship. Also, I think his protectiveness comes from the trauma of losing Lilly and Veronica being her best friend.

i've been rewatching the series and logan's insecurities come mostly from his disability, not necessarily from being close to a woman who's stronger than he is. there is an episode where he starts having trouble with walking again after his paralysis is temporarily cured due to receiving a blood transfusion from her, as max has stem cells in her blood that cured the spinal damage. at one point he all but accuses her of preferring it when he's confined to a wheelchair and she gets rightfully furious at him for it, so in season one at least he's a decent dude whose issues come mostly from not being able to do what he could before and he and max trying to deny that they have feelings for each other.

(though yes, michael weatherly is a creep and can go fuck himself. i remember thinking his engagement to jessica was so romantic when i was a teenager and then looking back a few years later and going 'she was only four years older than me what the fuck')

Yeah, after I hit post on this I remembered how much conflict there was around his ability/inability to walk. I do think that's a much more understandable situation for a guy to feel kind of impotent and filled with frustration and anger that he wrongly directs at other people, which I guess is why I don't remember it the same way I remember other male character's bad attitudes. Not that being disabled makes you impotent, just that if you're used to having a very able body and then suddenly you don't, I can see how that would be an absolutely massive blow to one's sense of self.

And then there's Max, who is literally the most able person he's ever known--maybe the most able person there is, period. It's not okay for him to lash out at her in insecurity, but it's something I find very understandable nonetheless.

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Re: Other examples of the archetype?

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