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⌈ Secret Post #5088 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, we've now argued down from "Race really didn't enter into it, it never needed to" to "it was definitely racist, among other things" so I'm happy with that.

And I'm not saying that race was the only factor. But what I do think is that there's a massive gap in the perception of Middleton and Markle (after all as others in the thread have pointed out Middleton herself is new money) that's not fully explained by differences in their actions, and the simplest, most probable explanation is that race plays a major role in that difference.

[(Anonymous)]

But the thing is, in the UK, the simplest and most probable explanation for that gap isn't necessarily racism. That's what we're getting at. The difference between Kate and Megan isn't just one of race - it's also of class and nationality.

Kate is English and upper middle class. Her parents are well off and have white collar jobs. She studied at an old, posh university.

Megan is American and working class. Her parents are working class and divorced. She's an actress. She went to a good university but not an Old Boys UK one like Kate.

Those differences are a big deal in the UK, which gets constantly underestimated in terms of importance by non-Brits. Your status in the social hierarchy is incredibly important here - even more so if you're marrying a Royal, which is the ultimate representation of our class system in all its leased up glory.

[(Anonymous)]

*messed up

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to all this.

Americans look at Britain and see mini-America in terms of race relations. They don't get it at all, then act butthurt when people who actually live them in the UK try and explain it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah.

The UK has issues with racism, just like everywhere else. We're not unique in that respect. But the targets, dogwhistles, nuances, language, etc are different - again, just like it is everywhere else. UK racism is different to US racism, just as both are different again to Japanese racism, French racism, South African racism, Australian racism, etc. Add that to the way it intersects with other concepts and ideas in each culture, and you get a completely different landscape where things rank differently in terms of importance.

[(Anonymous)]

I love this. Like clockwork, every time something about racism in Britain comes up, some Brit comes in and explains that Americans don't get it because their racism is deep and nuanced and complex, unlike America where racism is simple and stupid. You found a way to make even your racism sound better than ours. Never change, Britain.

[(Anonymous)]

DA, no, that's not it at all. Brits are saying that their racism is different. No less messed up, but the nuances are different. That goes both way, btw. We don't always get some of your nuances either.

[(Anonymous)]

^This

There are a lot of nuances to US racism that we don't get, in the same way that a lot of Americans don't get ours. It's not a question of superiority. It's just different.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol. Hurt yourself with that reach?

That's not what I said at all.

I said that there are differences between cultures (you know, like there is with everything). Not that US racism is simple and stupid. Just that it's different.

Learn to read.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also, why the hell are we arguing over this? All racism is stupid. UK. US. All of it. Turning it into some weird wank is also stupid.

Yeah. No. I'm out.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, Megan is a divorcée herself.

We had a Royal abdicate over marrying an American divorcée not that long ago...

[(Anonymous)]

that's not fully explained by differences in their actions, and the simplest, most probable explanation is that race plays a major role in that difference.

Hard disagree.