[ SECRET POST #5099 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5099 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Many people, even PhDs, are far less embarrassed by their roots than you appear to be. As a result, you hear many accents and regional dialects, even at academic conferences! It’s amazing how diverse educated language can be when the educated people speaking it are confident in their academic and professional achievements. It’s only the very young or the very insecure who still feel the need to look down on people who speak like the folks down home. And no one who has the smallest amount of respect in their field is going to be thought less of for saying ‘warsh’ instead of wash.

[(Anonymous)]

Not at all embarrassed by my roots. Proud of them. So proud that I want to represent them well by presenting myself well in front of my colleagues. One way to do that is speaking with a more educated vocabulary and better pronunciation than I do in other contexts. You're lying if you're trying to claim that even the most confident, secure person in academia speaks the same way when they present at conferences as they do back home or drinking with their buddies on the weekend. You're also lying if you claim that someone with a stigmatized accent or dialect doesn't face discrimination or exclusion in academia. Hard to gain respect if you can't get through the door.

[(Anonymous)]

Same anon - working on paper revisions just now where one review includes comments like "the writing style could be more academic" and "this would benefit from review by a native English speaker" (...I am one, but I guess when the reviews are anonymous, people make xenophobic assumptions...).

Tell me again how academia is so generously accepting of people with different language skills and styles, and there's absolutely no gatekeeping whatsoever.

[(Anonymous)]

Cool! When we start having medical conferences in person again, I'll tell the several hundred PhDs and MDs who don't speak Standard American English that they no longer exist according to someone on the internet who is so ashamed of being from Podunk that they can't imagine competent, educated professionals who speak the way their grandmother does. Honestly, I am incredibly sad for you and for your family that you think the only way you can possibly make them proud is to make sure you sound nothing like them when you're in public.

[(Anonymous)]

Great, also ask them how much overt and subtle discrimination they've experienced, since apparently you don't believe it exists. Ask them how job talks have gone when they didn't code-switch. Ask them if they feel that their paper reviews, promotion and raise opportunities, and so on, were judged solely based on their competence and expertise and just the same as a person who doesn't have an obvious signifier of being an "upstart outsider". I'm interested to hear the responses and will be stupendously proud to hear we are living in a "post-dialect" society.

[(Anonymous)]

Also...
"One way to do that is speaking with a more educated vocabulary and better pronunciation than I do in other contexts" definitely means the same thing as "the only way you can possibly make them proud is to make sure you sound nothing like them when you're in public."

Or maybe we're just having a misunderstanding because of how amazingly flexible and unstructured the English language is...