[ SECRET POST #5110 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5110 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


01.
[The Crown]



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02.
[Outside Xbox]


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03. [SPOILERS for Wonder Woman 1984]
[WARNING for discussion of rape]



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04. [WARNING for discussion of incest]



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05. [WARNING for discussion of domestic abuse/suicide]

[MDZS/The Untamed]


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06. [WARNING for discussion of underage/incest]


















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #731.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 (marked Mandalorian spoilers) - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Just because something can't happen in real life doesn't mean ethics don't apply. Part of making a fictional world work is figuring out how to make ethics work with these new things you've set up that don't exist in reality. Because they are being watched by real people people from the real world and created by real people from the real world.

Fictional worlds have to have rules. Maybe you can create a new ethical system. But there has to be some ethical system. and with something like possession of someone else's body, you have to have some ethical rule for it. You can't just hand wave it away. You can come up with some other answer, possibly. But ignoring it doesn't make the problem go away.

Inconsistencies and plot holes are what ruin otherwise good fantasy and scifi media. And an otherwise extremely ethical and selfless heroine making a selfish wish and then not caring at all that this is someone else's body possessed by her dead lover plus a selfless soldier also not caring he's possessing someone else's body and then them just using the body for anything and everything is an ethical plot hole.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really? The whole movie takes place over what? 4 days? Maybe give your characters time to wrap their minds around the whole "Wow, I'm 70 years in the future"/"Wow, my dead boyfriend's not dead anymore" thing before expecting them to delve into the ethical implications of rock-wish-instigated resurrection mechanics. Although if you're going to pick this apart anyway, considering that Diana was conceived via magical arts and crafts and is Greek-pantheon-adjacent, her cultural understanding of "enthusiastic consent" might not be entirely in line with modern mores anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but we don't actually have an ethical model for this, because it's something that literally 100% cannot happen in real life, and has no functional analogue. The situations complained about upthread are things we can apply real-world ethics to, because they do have real life analogues - rape by deception, coercion, and putting someone in an altered state are actual real things, and using magic to deceive, coerce, or drug someone doesn't make it better.

It's perfectly fine to be squicked the fuck out by involuntary possession leading to sex. It's perfectly fine to think it feels rapey and dislike the characters involved for it. It's unreasonable to insist up and down that the writers wrote rape, it's obviously rape, it's only ever going to be rape, anyone who thinks otherwise is bad and wrong. It's complete fantasy, absolutely impossible in the real world, and thus something where it's completely fair and reasonable for other people - including the writers - to draw their lines somewhere else.