[ SECRET POST #5120 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5120 ⌋

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Comments

[cuddyclothes]

Before the last five or six years, 'Nazi' didn't have the emotional gut-punch it has now. For instance, "Hogan's Heroes", a sitcom set in a WW2 prison camp with bumbling Nazis. It was easy to make fun of Nazis because most people assumed they were in the past. Not saying that was a GOOD thing. But postwar America and beyond made fun of Nazis without a second thought.

Until recently.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing about the Hogan’s Heroes Nazis though is that they were still Nazis. They were just incompetent. Even during WW2, the bumbling Nazi thing was a trope. It’s a thing Americans have always done to make fun of their enemies. People who are bossy about soup or grammar are usually not Nazis or enemies of the state, and prior to Seinfeld, it would have been crass and dismissive to refer to them as such. And I am telling you that during the 90s, there were a lot of people in NY who were not entirely comfortable with branding a guy who had a funny accent and was picky about serving soup a Nazi.

[cuddyclothes]

I take your point. I also lived in NYC (always have) and I didn't see any anger or discomfort, but you probably saw it firsthand, which I didn't. The bumbling Nazi was definitely a trope.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. The "bumbling" Nazi trope is a political satire tool to delegitimize Nazism and so is a different thing entirely from "this person is strict and mean about something I don't think deserves it, so I am going to call them a fill-in-the-blank Nazi." Continuing to compare the two as if they're the same phenomenon is a little weird.

Also: "Before the last five or six years, 'Nazi' didn't have the emotional gut-punch it has now." Really? Really? You don't think people had any sort of emotional reaction to the idea or term before a few years ago?

[cuddyclothes]

Also: "Before the last five or six years, 'Nazi' didn't have the emotional gut-punch it has now." Really? Really? You don't think people had any sort of emotional reaction to the idea or term before a few years ago?

Yes, of course they did. The Nazis were the ultimate in horror. What I mean is, for many people, Nazis were considered to be in the "lunatic fringe". However, with our current president, they have come out into the mainstream. They've always been there. They have a megaphone now.

[(Anonymous)]

Next time, perhaps think about actually saying what you mean.

[cuddyclothes]

I'm trying to, but we should leave it at that.

ETA: Maybe we shouldn't. My brother in law's family was slaughtered in the Holocaust. Living in NYC, I've known quite a few Auschwitz survivors and the next two generations esp. when we moved into this building. I'm married to a Jewish man who is traumatized by losing relatives. Some in his family fled to America to escape Russian pogroms. I am terrified of his being killed in a random shooting.

Don't presume I don't take Nazis seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

And yet, none of that was reflected in your comments until you were called out on them. Don't presume to think everyone will give you the benefit of the doubt for statements that can be rightfully read as harmful, ignorant and dismissive.

[cuddyclothes]

I don't feel "called out" at all. I was trying to talk about popular culture. You can read my comments any way you want, however.