[ SECRET POST #5125 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5125 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who would be vaguely uncomfortable with swapping half a m/m or f/f ship to make it het, hating or being uncomfortable around or furthering the marginalization of actual gay or lesbian people?

I don't actually self-insert as the female half of my het ships, but I assume there's some projection going on, because reading explicit m/m can sometimes make me feel kind of voyeuristic (in a bad way, I'm not into that) in a way that hetfic doesn't. It's not because I hate gay men or find them gross.

[(Anonymous)]

Homophobia is not limited to hateful violent bigotry. Sometimes it really is just as minor as "can't enjoy same sex couples the way I enjoy opposite sex couples". It's not a judgement call to acknowledge that people treat same sex couples differently.

[(Anonymous)]

? Again how is having a sexual preference homophobic. If it's fluff I can understand - kinda, because some fluff do have a degree of "gay suffering" that's hard for some people, gay or straight - but porn? Eh.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay but OP mentions nothing about writing porn. And if you're just writing a post-apocalyptic story, pretty sure non-straight people (and people of colour) get tired of hearing, "Well I just can't CONNECT because they're bi/gay/lesbian/black/puerto rican/etc."

This is not a story about their 'otherness', so why would you not be able to connect? Can you not watch the new Lupin because he's black? You can't connect to a black person who's had their whole life ruined at 14?

It just seems weird to me that people say they can't connect to someone who's not 100% like them. There's no media that's going to be 100% like you, but as long as they're not 'other' it's easier?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but the one who started this subthread by saying I feel kind of voyeuristic reading m/m porn, here--I am talking about porn, heh, or at least written smut.

I feel a bit less voyeuristic reading f/f porn because I can better imagine what both women are feeling physically, even though I'm not attracted to the characters, but only het gets close to immersive for me.

I have no problem enjoying/relating to characters who aren't cis women when sex isn't involved. I like fluffy pg13 slash and femslash (and queer stuff generally) just fine. But I'm more into reading fic about what turns me on sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. I don't buy this "I just can't connect" argument for one second because that's the exact same argument people use for why they don't want to consume media that stars women/non-white characters/non-cis characters/etc. It's not okay then so why is it suddenly supposed to be okay here?

[(Anonymous)]

Anon above you who doesn't read a lot of explicit m/m here, and it's different if we're talking about porn. There's at least two different viewpoints people are arguing with on here. 1) People who only read/write M/F relationships because it's uncomfortable for them to read about experiences that don't match theirs as cis straight people. 2) When reading or writing fic with a sexual component, people read/write what turns them on and gender/genital configurations are a big part of that for lots of people.

I don't know if secret OP belongs to group 1, group 2, or both. If their book idea (surprised more people aren't rolling their eyes at the "people might call me homophobic for my book idea that I haven't even written" part)

[(Anonymous)]

Anon above you who doesn't read a lot of explicit m/m here, and it's different if we're talking about porn. There's at least two different viewpoints people are arguing with.

1) People who only read/write M/F relationships because it's uncomfortable for them to read about experiences that don't match theirs as cis straight people.

2) When reading or writing fic with a sexual component, people read/write what turns them on and gender/genital configurations are a big part of that for lots of people.

I'm in group 2, but I'm fine with m/m, f/f, agender asexual celestial being cuddling, whatever. I just don't read a lot of explicit m/m or f/f because it's not a turn on.

I don't know if secret OP belongs to group 1, group 2, or both. If their book idea (surprised more people aren't rolling their eyes at the "people might call me homophobic for my book idea that I haven't even written"part) ever gets published, maybe we'll find out.