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⌈ Secret Post #741 ⌋

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[Twin Peaks]

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[3rd Rock from the Sun]

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[Merlin]

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[Fairly Oddparents]

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[30 Rock]

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[The Authority]

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[Revenge of the Nerds]

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[House]

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[Kamelot, Yu-Gi-Oh: Duel Monsters]

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[The World Ends With You]

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[Stargate]

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[Getbackers]

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[Hugh Laurie / House]

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[trans: "arrogant exchange student is arrogant"]

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[Andrew Bird; Noble Beast]

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[Robot Carnival]

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[South Park/Styx]

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[Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron]

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[The Little Mermaid]

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[Gossip Girl]

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[It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia]

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[Valkyrie]

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[Tilda Swinton, Constantine]

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[Don't Stop the Carnival; Henny's Song]

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[Beetle Bailey]

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[Little Mosque On The Prairie]

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[Don't Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood]

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[Love Actually]

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[Tenshi ni Narumon]

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[Doctor Who]

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[Hyperdrive]

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[Harry Potter, Percy Weasley]

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[Smoking Gun Presents World's Dumbest]

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[Blackblood Alliance]

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[Star Trek: Phase Two/Star Trek: New Voyages]

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I think societal sexism plays a lot into it. It's hard to get a female character viewed the same way as a male character who acts the same way, even outside of fandom. The double standard isn't a "girl" thing, it's an everybody thing.

I agree there are a lot of sexist double standards in general for women, for sure, but that some of them are different than what the OP was talking about. and also that some of them get compounded by shallower women FOR the reasons I stated above - the sterotypes are out there because of sexism, but it's not *because* of self-hate that they're siezed on so a girl can be territorial. if I'm making any sense here.

Have to say, I've never met a girl in fandom who acted anything like what you're talking about. I wouldn't exactly call it self-hate, it's more hate of women behaving the 'wrong way'--which in good fiction, many women do.

you've never seen a female fan get rabid over the actions of a female character, right OR wrong, because 'soandso deserves better' and sometimes among the younger set that means the fangirl's mary sue? this isn't all or even most of fandom, but where do you hang out that you've never seen or even heard of that before?

I've seen it (the Transformers fandom gets it quite a bit, from both males and females), but it's not because high school girls have some inner bitch programming.

I don't remember ever saying anyone was 'programmed' and HAD to act that way - just that it was about 'I want him and I'm jealous' and not hating your own gender.

And I don't think that's why girls in fandom are sexist against women. They dislike the women for not behaving the 'right' way or because they're getting in the way of the OTP, not because they're personally jealous.

I've seen all of those things - it's what she's describing in particular that seems like a jealousy thing to me, and I know I've seen jealous behavior. You just said that you've seen it as well. We're free to disagree on what it is - but that doesn't mean I assume that girls are all like that, or have to be like that because they can't help it. Just that jealousy happens and that if it is jealousy, 'why does no one see how sexy and compelling these women are?' isn't exactly going to make much sense. Jealousy also doesn't make a person sexist - there's a lot of other things in fandom towards women that do, and there's probably some overlap between the OP's theory and mine, but I think the easy "high school" explanation sometimes makes a lot more sense than people give it credit for.

Jealousy implies they want something she's got, which isn't usually the deal. They have a problem because she's not either staying out of the way of the OTP or acting in a manner that goes against their idea of how a woman should act. And that's pretty sexist.

"you've never seen a female fan get rabid over the actions of a female character, right OR wrong, because 'soandso deserves better' and sometimes among the younger set that means the fangirl's mary sue?"

That's what I'm describing - not people who are genuine honest-to-god fans of whatever pairing is being described, because I'd presume that fans of a pairing are fans of those two people together and/or what they do for each other. And like I said below, if I'm misunderstanding the OP and this is about genuine fans who want to keep the pairing but mold the character a certain way, then yes, sexism is for sure involved there. I think lusting after a character can sometimes make you a little more inclined to overlook their flaws, but there's also some definite presumption about how girls should behave, yes.

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