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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-01-26 06:22 pm

[ SECRET POST #5135 ]


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Re: What Themes In Media Trigger You The Most?

(Anonymous) 2021-01-27 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's really sad it's assumed that the men are upset because if some sense of the woman belonging to them, and not that someone they love was hurt. It's almost never portrayed like the former, so I find this take to be in really bad faith. It's still an overused trope that could use a good rest, but its not about what you said.

Re: What Themes In Media Trigger You The Most?

(Anonymous) 2021-01-27 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
I guess it depends on how you'd feel about a guy doing that bullshit "for you," without asking you what you wanted.

It would not make me feel cared for. It would not make me feel safe. It would not make me feel respected. It would not make me feel heard.

And frankly, if a guy does that shit without calmly and directly asking the woman he is "avenging" what she wants, then yes, he is treating her like she belongs to him and thinking about her as though she belongs to him. Because he sure isn't treating her like a person, and like his equal, and he sure isn't giving her the respect and consideration one would give their equal.

And since the dude is almost never portrayed as actually asking the woman what she would like for him to do, I find your take to be rather naïve and blind to the pretty obvious issues with these avenging male plotlines.

Re: What Themes In Media Trigger You The Most?

(Anonymous) 2021-01-27 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
DA - I mean, these revenge stories almost always fall into one of two categories: a) male power fantasies and b) dark fables about how revenge ultimately ruins your life. Soooooo I don't see room for the avenger to first "calmly and directly" ask the victim for permission to go on their vengeance kick, like that is a fucking laughable suggestion, are you serious? In type a, the victim is just an excuse for schlocky nonsense, and in type b, the vengeful behavior is dysfunctional. Of course there's no respect and consideration being taken into the equation.

Loved ones of victims of sexual assaults can be considered secondary victims, and there's definite narrative interest in exploring their pain and handling of said pain (separate from narratives exploring the victims' pain), so AYRT isn't wrong in suggesting that might be the intention with these films. The bad part here is that these stories almost always focus on men. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri and Promising Young Woman (which only came out last year) are the only films I have seen that feature a female protagonist of this type. I'd welcome more suggestions

Re: What Themes In Media Trigger You The Most?

(Anonymous) 2021-01-27 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

I don't think a scene would be out of place in some of those movies where the guy goes to the victim and says, "I'm gonna kill them all" and the victim (girlfriend, wife, child, brother, whoever Action Man is avenging) goes "do it."

There, consent from the victim, easy enough to put in a script if you actually wanted to.