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⌈ Secret Post #742 ⌋

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[Yuko Nakazawa]

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[Ianto Jones, Torchwood]

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[Jpopmusic.com forums, Morning Musume section]

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[Boston Legal; Denny Crane]

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[Trevor Moore, Whitest Kids U Know]

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108.

[Yes! Precure 5]

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109.

[Harry Potter/Tom Riddle]

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[Billy Mayes infomercials]

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[Pokémon]

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[Super Mario Bros (live-action movie)]

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[Sakura Card Captor/Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle]

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[DBSK - Shim Changmin]

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[NaruHina and IchiHime]

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[Left 4 Dead]

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[Never Mind the Buzzcocks]

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[Spongebob Squarepants]

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[Supernatural]

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[Legend of the Seeker]

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[Digimon Adventure 02]

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[Metal Gear Solid]

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[Morena Baccarin]

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[Heroes]

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[Digimon Adventure 02]

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[Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits]

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140. http://i39.tinypic.com/2yucavo.jpg
[ only linked, just in case :| ]

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[Vincent Vega - Pulp Fiction]

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[Avatar]

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[NCIS/Abby Sciuto]

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[Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Fallout 3]

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[The Zeta Project]

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[Professor Layton]

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[NCIS]

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[House]

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[Monty Python's Flying Circus, Eric Idle]

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[Reservoir Dogs/The Piano]

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[Supernatural, Misha Collins]

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[The Curious Case of Benjamin Button]

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[Gilmore Girls/Supernatural/Heroes]

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[Brainiac Joe - Brainiac Science Abuse]

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[John Constantine: Hellblazer]

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[Doctor Who; Thandie Newton]

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[Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro]

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[Metal Gear Solid]

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[Mike Rowe and Dave Barsky]

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[Catherine Tate, Doctor Who]

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[Ghost in the Shell]

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[House]

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[Ice Age I & II]

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You know what? I do have disdain for all of the statements on those bingo cards. Because I think the positions they represent are at best unhelpful and at at worst offensive. I think that "Hollywood is racist anyway" condones inaction and "it's just a movie" is untrue and underestimates the tremendous impact the media has on our culture.

You seem to be trying very hard to make this secret about you personally -- who knows, maybe it is, maybe you have the OP friended, I don't know. So here, I will make it personal: there is nothing reasonable about this casting decision, there is nothing reasonable about making excuses for it, there is nothing reasonable about telling other people they shouldn't be upset about it.

And you aren't actually included in my statements about "staying out of it." You have involved yourself by participating in this conversation.

and it's also not an excuse if they do care and simply think there are more effective ways to protest other than through a movie casting.

More effective ways. All right.

Other than "nothing," what exactly would you have people do about this issue? They're writing letters to the studio and the producers, they're contacting media outlets, they're notifying civil rights watchgroups, they're getting into the trenches of fandom and trying to argue their position with those who would ignore or dismiss it.

What else are they supposed to do?

Because if you have some ideas I would completely seriously and sincerely love to hear them.

I'm just saying other people might genuinely think there are more effective ways of dealing with racism in general.

Like what?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, here. It's just that institutionalized problems like racism in media are slippery and subtle and hard to get a hold on. Part of the reason so many people are getting involved in the specific issue of the Airbender casting -- many of whom aren't even fans of the show -- is that it's something concrete and specific and easy to explain, something we can all point to and say, "This? This is not okay."

Is there a lot of wank? I'm not accusing you of lying at all--I think I may just have not been in the same places. Because it seems like the trouble is that within the Avatar fandom of course everyone takes everything Avatar-related seriously. I haven't had anybody demand to know if I'm writing letters or tell me I ought to be frothing at the mouth more over this. Most of the bingo-card type comments I've seen usually come up when people are all agreeing this is terrible and then someone posts that they're ridiculous for doing or thinking this stuff. So the comments in context come across less as somebody's personal reason for not joining in and more as a criticism of what other people are doing. Which I guess is also what happens when somebody not getting involved reads somebody else saying how important they think it is to do something.

I don't know what to do about it, but I can see on both sides why people keep explaining themselves. If someone posts to say why they don't think this campaign is useful, or that it's hypocritical or silly, people are eager to explain why they don't think that's true.

But I can share your annoyance with bingo card use in fandom. They're good when all the arguments on them are specious and the person can explain why (like the racism card, for instance) but I've definitely seen bingo cards made for fandom things where people seem to think that just because you put an argument on a bingo card it means the argument is bad and...no. by that logic a racist could just make up a bingo card with things like "White people are not inherently better than PoCs."

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