[ SECRET POST #5141 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5141 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/7UPiZbk.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Welp. Just about ruined my day to find out that fundamentalist Christians think this about Jane Austen. How utterly goddamn ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait until you hear what lunatic Nazis think about Norse mythology.

[(Anonymous)]

Noooooooooo :(

[(Anonymous)]

Wait. These people read Jane Austen because they think her characters adhere to their idea of proper gender roles? Seriously?

[(Anonymous)]

People do that? That's truly bizarre.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, they're into all kinds of "old fashioned" things and are too dumb to understand when it's a critique. Austen doesn't think it's a good thing that women can't inherit or make money. She doesn't think it's a good thing that all the Bennet sisters will be ruined by Lydia's affair. She really doesn't think it's a good thing that Anne has to live with her horrible family for life.

[mishey22]

The font gave me a headache, so good for you, OP!

Or...sorry. Whichever.

[thewakokid]

Eh, if Jane Austen was raised in this time you'd have a point.

If she was time travelled to this time, she'd think we're all fucking degenerates.

"Wait, a man may marry another man? And act the part of a woman? And you accept this as normal? Send me back. I have much work to do to correct this abhorrent society before this ever happens."

[thewakokid]

I mean, has JK Rowling taught you nothing about assuming "This person is a feminist in the context of her own life, so clearly she's be just as progressive as me and supports the things I like unconditionally!"?

[(Anonymous)]

JK Rowling is alive and well and not even that much older than many of her critics.

[thewakokid]

Exactly. Being a feminist in THIS day and age isn't any kind of guarantee that they'd be just as progressive as you, Never mind a feminist from all those years ago.

[tree_and_leaf]

Sure, but I think the point is that the fundies are missing that Austen is skewering aspects of her *own* society that they think are good, regardless of what she might or might not think of the 21st century if you dropped her in it.

Mind you, they're also missing the fact that she'd be fucking appalled by the way conservative evangelicals have decided that remarriage after divorce isn't an issue...

[thewakokid]

Yeah, Thats what I mean. If Jane Austen could see the Christian fundamentalists today, she would probably find their /liberalism/ far too degenerate. the secret maker is right that she would probably be disgusted by them, but not for the reason the secret maker thinks.

Any loathing she would feel for the Christians, would be the mouse's share of loathing compared to what she would think of people who, for example, support gay marriage or trans people.

And I'm not shitting on Ms Austen, She was a product of the time she was born in and was as liberal as she was BECAUSE of that time... but that is still quite a ways behind how liberal even the most stuffy Christian fundie is today.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm feminist af and I love Austen, but well, I'm glad someone in this thread said it.

Given how bright and perceptive she was, I think she may have been able to adapt to our modern attitudes if given a few years of complete immersion. (People born and raised Jehovah's Witness manage it; so could Austen!) But for the first while she would almost certainly be horrified and disgusted by all of us and our profound moral degeneracy.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she wouldn't also be disgusted by the people the secret is talking about.

[thewakokid]

True, but the point "Jane Austen would hate you" is true in some part because of how much more liberal and permissive even the strictest christian fundies of today are, when compared to the most insane radical liberal of her own time.

She would hate the christian fundies LESS than the people who accept interracial marriage and trans acceptance.

[thewakokid]

Yeah, I'm a big believer of accepting things as being a product of their time, so I'm not trying to judge Ms Austen. For her time and social position she was remarkably progressive. The fact that the values she held in that time wouldn't measure up against todays standards is no shame on her. But I struggle whenever people think "This historical figure would hate you". They would hate us all.

Just as we would hate all the changes society will make long after we're gone.

History makes bigots of us all.

[(Anonymous)]

History makes bigots of us all.

Maybe. It definitely will of you.

[(Anonymous)]

One problem with "history makes bigoted of us all" is that it tends to assume that history was monotone - that there was a monolithic bigoted historical view at a given time. This is often dramatically untrue and it's important to understand the nature of historical changes and the people who were there in the 18th or 19th century or whenever condemning the things that one is tempted to write off as merely "a product of the times".

[thewakokid]

No, of course some people were well well beyond their own time in their views. But given enough time, and enough knowledge about the person, I can guarantee you that in at least some ways, everyone was or will be behind the times in other areas.

Look at the suffragettes. Who held the radical view that women should be permitted the same political power as men. Unthinkable at the time.

Then look at their opinion on the black voter?

Ok, so now look at the black suffragettes... and ask them their opinion on gay ppl?

There is no perfect person, and everyone will be left behind by history as society advances. Best we can hope for is that it happens AFTER we're dead, and not while we're still alive like JKR.