[ SECRET POST #5148 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5148 ⌋

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Comments

[chamonix]

I feel this. I mean, looking back a lot of the fandomwank stuff was incredibly petty and mean-spirited. But the historian in me hates finding broken links and lost posts, and some of the stuff back then still impacts fandom today in various ways.

It's also fascinating to look at the social mores and how they differ from today. For example, I saw someone revive the MsScribe story on Twitter recently, and after having been there at the time and seeing how people responded to it back in the 00s, it took me aback that a lot of the twitter commenters had the exact opposite view of the consensus back then. Twitter was mostly on the side of those who had condemned smut and ship-positive attitudes in fandom during that ancient kerfuffle. I guess it shouldn't really have surprised me, because I've watched the gradual change in what people find acceptable in fiction, and problematic shipping is at the forefront of that. At the time, though, the hugely prevailing opinion was YKINMK and the naysayers were seen as prudish dinosaurs. How times change.

[(Anonymous)]

Wooooooah. That really nonplussed me too. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I miss the days of YKINMK being the prevailing opinion.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Ironically, much more tolerant days.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand discussing the possible harm of real life kinks, but fictional shit? Who cares. I admit some of underage shit makes me cringe now, but I'm not about to write a 20 tweet Twitter thread on how bad student/teacher fic is.

[(Anonymous)]

Twitter was mostly on the side of those who had condemned smut and ship-positive attitudes in fandom during that ancient kerfuffle.


That's incredibly depressing.

[(Anonymous)]

(Cozy Werewolf Anon)

If it was writing community twitter, I am honestly not surprised.

Writing community twitter is, if you can get them to discuss anything other than writing technique or the lastest romance genre scandals, very conservative. Yes, I know there are lots of authors on twitter who profess they're part of the gay community and wanting diversity and so on. A lot that came across my dash, and it could have been my dash I'll admit, was very... judgemental.

Which is why I left writing community twitter or at least, don't participate anymore. I want to discuss ideas and characters and fun worlds. Not technique and being judged about character/ship dynamics and if they have to be portrayed as explicitly bad IN TEXT or not. It's like, people have lost all critical thinking and judgement. (Also, it's boring. I don't care. Just. Go Write. Stop trying to get people to validate your technique views and write.) Sometimes, you can't expound upon a throw away idea on twitter without the original idea person screaming about copyright and stealing. (You cannot copyright a pun/book title/idea. We were having fun. Way to squash the fun. Good bye.)

And I've talked to young authors in their early 20s and TRIED to get through to them that old fandom scandals are going to echo in the traditional publishing community (and actually are) and their response is usually "I don't know about that" and don't see why it is important.

Eventually the pendulum will swing back to YKINMK. Hopefully it won't take too long.

[(Anonymous)]

Eventually the pendulum will swing back to YKINMK. Hopefully it won't take too long.

I hope fandom will find a happy medium between what it was then and is now.