[ SECRET POST #746 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #746 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 273 secrets from Secret Submission Post #107.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 4 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 (requested to be taken down by the cosplayer) 2 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - been done ], [ 1 - plea for help ].
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Comments

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I'm sure there is a middle ground, but I'm not sure fandom infused LJ is the place to find it. Mostly I think if people made an effort to include and develop all the characters they liked, without thinking about what would get the most reviews we'd see a slightly more even and positive representation of all characters, but again the problem is it's us women writing what we want to write and reviewing what we want to read. And girls, what's my weakness? Men!

It's like the WMBA. I like the idea of women getting paid similar to men, but that dosen't mean I'm going to start watching basketball to make it happen. If that makes me a bad feminist, then I don't want to be a feminist because they're crazy people who want to make me watch basketball.

I know that the cause women's advancement has been around forever, even in fandom (and out! Oh how I love the right to vote (now I can complain!)) but in fandom we seem to have flashes of really intense feelings over a topic (like after prop 8, or censorship after strikethrough07) that then returns to the shelf. But these topics are rarely if ever handled well (at least, from my limited view point)

Some fandoms, like SPN (duh, it's constant) and comicbooks (Women in Refrigerators anyone?), feel it a bit more, but sexism is not usually one of the huge topics in an average post.

The real problem with using fandom for a movement, as I see it, is that we're all to similar. There is no 'them' in fandom, we're all fans. Fans of different things/pairings/people, but it's an 'us.' Even when we disagree, there's no one who is really able to control any other group (attack and intimidate yes, but no real control is ever given) So the only ones to blame are ourselves, and that sort of thing can ends in self righteous 'I'm different' proclamations and attacks on other people.

Again, it's like I'm just here to watch Dick and Roy make out, if you want to read about Steph or Mia that's cool. If you want to belittle me for not reading/caring about Steph or Mia enough, that's not cool. (Bat-clan/Arrow-clan, because I could't think of another SGA reference. Am a bad fan, but in my defence I dropped out after Carson died, even though I hated him. I kind of hate a lot of characters.)

Better example here is Kara Thrace. For a while she was amazing! I loved her. But I never like fic of her, because I soon realized liked her more as an idea of a kick ass chick pilot. Eventually I left, (I do that a lot...) and a friend told me off for not supporting the idea that was BSG (more the idea of dark-and-gritty scifi then the idea of strong women, but still) and my response was "don't tell me what I should like as a scifi fan!" and my response to this sort of movement would be/will be "don't tell me what I should like as a woman!"

So, yeah. Once more, with bells on: Please don't make my fun political. Please?