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⌈ Secret Post #5178 ⌋

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[fscom]

11. https://i.imgur.com/4q41x19.png

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of gave up on the MCU because it was starting to get Too Big and Overwhelming for me to keep up with everything, and when Tony Stark died (my favorite character which shows what poor taste I actually have XD), but the more I hear about Wandavision, the more I am intrigued by it. Is it worth it?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who isn't a Wanda or Vision because of how they're treated as characters (and IS a major Tony fan), I really liked it! It gave a lot of depth to Wanda that was sorely missing. As long as you don't treat it like a mystery box show, and as more of a character trawl of who Wanda is and could be, it's great.

It also treats the ancillary characters like they have some inner life which is nice (not a ton, and I think the both antagonists could have been given clearer motives but it didn't affect my enjoyment *shrug*). I have some quibbles about the ending, but they're MCU quibbles rather than show quibbles, if that makes sense.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I should also say it's most enjoyable if you have some understanding of sitcom tropes from the 50s to now. Watching sitcoms from those time periods used to be my childhood, so the first half was really fun for the conceits used, but would probably be less interesting without understanding it.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

(Original OP who made the first comment)

I grew up largely with "I Love Lucy" and I have a general understanding of 50s sitcom tropes, so that concept in Wandervision won't be unfamiliar to me. Using a specific period piece is part of why I want to watch it. The rest is stuff you said and some returning characters I'm excited to see (Darcy! Monica! Jimmy Woo!) Also I hear it carries similar vibe to Tom King's The Vision miniseries comic which I remember digging a while back.

Thanks for answering, I think I will check it out when I have time.

[(Anonymous)]

Not gonna lie, the lack of any connection between Tony and the twins is what ruined Age of Ultron for me and ultimately from there the entire MCU.

I loved Tony before AoU, and when Wanda and Pietro were explaining their past and why they hated Tony, I remember this hopeful lightbulb going off in my head like "Oh! This is where Tony will be able to tell them he knows his company was shitty and it took him staring one of his own bombs in the face, just like they did, to realize how bad he had let things get and when he decided to make a change for the good, and he'll show them that change! This is going to be great!" And instead, what he said was "That was never my life", and my heart sank. Nothing about his growth or his mistakes or anything his individual movies had gone over, and no more meaningful interactions with these new characters. Hawkeye had to be the one to bring them aboard, of all people. It could have been really great.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree!

The MCU audience knows how Tony has changed, but that would have been so much better.

[(Anonymous)]

AoU was pretty much 'what do you mean Tony had an arc in his solo films?!', the movie.

(Also, I am so, so annoyed that the writers decided to make Ultron his fault when Hank Pym exists in the MCU. Attribute the murder robot to the correct genius fuckup, guys!)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still lowkey salty that the only acknowledgment given to how Jarvis is gone and how Tony would handle that after everything was RDJ silently acting his ass off. That alone would make an amazing movie!

(what's wild is this is the second time I've seen a movie that made Ultron Tony's fault. There's an animated "What if the Avengers had kids?" movie that's, not great, where that happened, and then Ultron destroyed the Earth.)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Sure was!

Tony in IM3: I recognize that I have anxiety and PTSD but instead of forcing everyone else to live with that and all of my paranoia, because it literally only causes them harm and I have proof of that, I'm finally going to take steps toward healing, including everything from surgery for the shrapnel to decommissioning every single one of my new suit plans, because they really were going way too far, and I realize the implications now.
Tony in the first five seconds of AoU: what's up guys what if I personally controlled the world via automated robots? What are you complaining about?

And it's really sad to me because I used to like him a lot and now I can't because his character development just vanished completely. Without growth and recognition of change, he just comes across to me like an asshole now.

[(Anonymous)]

And then - even after he has died - Tony apparently left a very powerful (and potentially murderous) surveillance system composed of another huge batch of danegrous devices in the hands of a teenager, because basically it was needed for a Spiderman movie plot.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't about controlling the world via robots? What are you talking about?

[(Anonymous)]

The purpose of the Iron Legion was essentially to be a robot police force to be "a shield around the Earth", and that this shield would be built/engineered/controlled by Tony. Is that not correct?

Furthermore, we had already determined in IM3 (his last movie before AoU and therefore the one that should have been guiding his thought processes) that pre-emptively surrounding yourself with violent attack robots leads to innocent people getting hurt, and then we see it again with Project Oversight in TWS (which Tony worked on) and again with EDITH in S:FFH. It's not a good idea just because he has good intentions.

[meadowphoenix]

I'm gonna be that Tony stan and say, that while I can blame Tony for leaving the sentient magic stick near his stuff, he didn't create Ultron in any reasonable understanding of create, he just took the blame. My problem from the movie was that it muddied it like that, and made Civil War so ridiculous as a premise because the team was so dysfunctional at the beginning, and yes using Tony's past like that to create conflict with Wanda and Pietro and.........doing absolutely nothing with it or his attempts at redemption in his other movies except blaming him for ultron too. what the fuck? fucking whedon.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Eh, I didn't bring up Ultron himself because that's a whole other thing, but short version for me was that I was way more bothered by Tony making the Iron Legion in the first place than by the accident that led to Ultron/the plot. The entire concept of fhe Iron Legion was so counter to his development thus far and, as you said, made Civil War and everything else going forward ridiculous. The Tony I actually liked wouldn't have done that shit, and it frustrates me.

[meadowphoenix]

you're absolutely right, it ruins the whole gesture in Iron Man 3 to begin with.

[(Anonymous)]

Woobie!Tony stuff cracks me up every time. Nothing gives away an author's age faster than how they write a 40+ year old man.

Yeeeesss give me more weird middle aged man acting like a teenager wringing their misery for all its worth.

But for real, OP, the woobie-ing is definitely all over this fandom and it does make it super hard to find a mature story that addresses how both sides struggled. And when you do, it's between, like, Steve and Tony.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I do sometimes read woobie!Tony stuff (he's my fav character) because it is HILARIOUS. just so funny. the reaches authors go to make Tony the victim??? so imaginative.

but you're right about the woobie-ing, and I think it speak to a) how basically every superhero in the MCU has a traumatic past and b) how much fandom doesn't know shit about trauma.

[(Anonymous)]

I just really hope that Wanda's next step is getting help. Rather than being mwahaha evil or whatever in Dr Strange 2, I want her to be like "I tried dealing with this on my own, and it went as badly as it possibly could, can you please help me understand and control my powers?" And Strange doing as best he can, bc he's still a doctor, and the drama comes from that.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't mind Wanda being an anti-villain, I actually think that's a good journey for her since she's always had the internal conflict of how she wants people to see her and what she's willing to do gain her goals. I love that for her, but I hope Dr. Strange ends in her getting help from someone useful. I also think that if they're doing Young Avengers, they're saving her for familial conflict.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. I'm getting really tired of how every MCU product has to have at least one gratuitous Tony marketing moment. Obligatory Tony Stark is becoming even more annoying than shoehorning obligatory Stan Lee cameos.