[ SECRET POST #5178 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5178 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Wait a sec... how is that racist? 'Aliens!!!!!' is a theory that has been applied at some point to almost every ancient artefact or ruins - Stonehenge, those markings you can only make out from the air in South America, etc etc. Humans just gonna do the alien conspiracy thing.

[philstar22]

But it is most often used in non-white cultures, specifically hispanic or middle eastern cultures that are particularly advanced in some way, as an explanation for why they could be so advanced because it just isn't possible that POCs could be advanced without some outside influence.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. Basically every ancient monument here in my European country has an alien conspiracy attached to it. I think that the majority of cultures with the most famous examples just happen to be non-white and this is people trying too hard.

[(Anonymous)]

Historically speaking, the ancient alien theory as it has existed since ~1970 has been extremely closely focused on the accomplishments of pre-contact native peoples, in ways that closely mesh with a lot of broader ideas about things like Atlantis and that are ultimately often startlingly direct about wanting to deny credit for civilizational accomplishments to non-Europeans.

I think people go too far with the point - I don't think that any mention of premodern alien contact falls into that specific von Dannikeny category - but there's absolutely a good foundation for the basic idea.

[(Anonymous)]

"Aliens built this ancient object/city/monument because the brown and black people could never have managed sophisticated math and engineering to create it themselves" is pretty much completely racist, yo.

[(Anonymous)]

You're joking right? It also gets applied to Stonehenge lol. People being unable to conceive of how something so impressive is not in the remotest bit fundamentally racist. For your average person who hasn't studied ancient history enough to know that collectively we've forgotten much more amazing things than how to build the pyramids, yes it's going to be fucking wondrous. Aliens, for those of an imaginative persuasion, probably seems like much more of an obvious solution.

Back in the 70s when this stuff was a popular theme, that average person was pretty much everyone outside of those who studied ancient cultures at a university level. Now we have the internet, and information is only a click away.

This is just people being people, it has absolutely nothing to do with race you absolute muppet.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - +100000

[(Anonymous)]

Stonehenge is only one of them, the rest are in Central and South America, Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and Central Asia. "People being people" has absolutely nothing to do with making up stupid theories about alien beings in order to erase humanity's incredible contributions to its own history. Was it done deliberately to stop the Aztecs, Maya, Incans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Thai, and Indians from getting the credit for their amazing works because they're nonwhite? Unlikely but I don't know vonDanniken's mind. Is it also racist on top of being generally shitty to our ancestors and showing how fucking clueless you are about a basic fact of human history? That's a yes. Like it or not, claiming aliens built the pyramids and Macchu Pichu instead of a bunch of dedicated human beings with a goal and non-modern technology is really gross and not just funsies.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah it really is just for funsies lmao. People think aliens are cooler than humans, and the idea that they visited earth and left us with some of their work is cool. It's not deep or racist at all. The fact that most of the people it's used for weren't white is if anything the fault of the white colonialists who destroyed the knowledge of how the people made those ancient structures. If someone had destroyed all records of how medieval European cathedrals were built, they'd be credited to aliens too.

[dantesspirit]

No, it's not 'just for funsies' to many people who actively believe the theories.

And yes, it's still racist even if it's applied *selectively* to things white people built as well.

[(Anonymous)]

When you look into this stuff, there is some incredibly racist shit going on. (See also: Atlantis, Lost Tribes of Israel, pre-Native American race of mound builders, etc.) It's a lot more than just people joking about aliens for funsies.

I realize that may be less readily apparent if you are surrounded by European megaliths rather than things non-white people built, but it's really freaking obvious when you stand somewhere else in the world.

TL;DR people are racist sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT: Oh, watchers of European Alien Conspiracy circles have noted that a lot of it is Protocols of the Elders of Zion reskinned with alien abduction mythology.

[(Anonymous)]

It's this 100%.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean, other than having its popular origins in a book that was co-authored by a Swiss con artist and an former editor of a Nazi newspaper?