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⌈ Secret Post #5180 ⌋

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It all goes back to George V (Queen's grandfather) who, at the time, decided to cut down on all the extra titles floating around the family (considering he is the grandson of Queen Victoria - he had 8 aunts and uncles having multiple children so its not that odd he wanted to curtail the titles).

His limits were basically the titles of prince and princess being given only to the children of the monarch, children of the monarch's sons and "the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales".

Now the queen has the power to change the rules and she did that all ready for all of William's kids to be princes and princesses since he's the heir to follow Charles.

Here's the thing I don't see people talking about --- Archie isn't alone in not having a title. The other 5 grandchildren are also without title. In fact the only thing we do know Megan and Harry did that the others didn't is that they actually turned down a lord title for Archie when he was born.

And like the other user said -- once Charles is king Archie could pick up a prince title depending on relations at the time and if Charles feels like doing so as his mother did for William's kids.

Here's the thing I don't see people talking about --- Archie isn't alone in not having a title. The other 5 grandchildren are also without title. In fact the only thing we do know Megan and Harry did that the others didn't is that they actually turned down a lord title for Archie when he was born.

... which is why the whole hinting at "our son doesn't have a title bc racism" feels so disingenuous to me. They must know the real reason why Archie isn't officially a prince, and pretending like it's a calculated insult is... wow. But it works because many Americans (including philstar, look at all that righteous outrage!) don't know George V's decision and they don't realize that the reason why Meghan and Harry's kid doesn't have a title is because he was never entitled (ha!) to one in the first place, according to rules established before his parents were even born, and that he's not being singled out because he's biracial.

I think they were also hinting that once Charles is king, he will make changes that further limit who is eligible for what title that will mean that Archie *still* won't get the title of prince. Which, yeah, would look rather bad, but I think there have been mentions of Charles intending to do something like that once he is king for a while, not just once Harry got together with Meghan.

Okay. Interesting, and weird system if you ask me. I will take back that part of my comment. I was unaware of this aspect of the British system. I still stand by the rest of it, though.

Besides William and Harry-

Zara and Phillip, Anne's kids, aren't titled because Anne turned the titles down.

Eugenie and Beatrice *are* titled, because Andrew *did not* turn them down.

Louise is a Lady, but not titled as Princess, her younger brother James is untitled. Unsure if Edward turned them down or not. Edward and Sophie wanted them to grow up as normal as possible, so it's likely the titles of Prince and Princess were refused.

As per the Oprah interview- they were never offered a title for Archie. So there was nothing to turn down.

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Elizabeth has 8 grandkids.