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⌈ Secret Post #750 ⌋

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First: Canon is open to interpretation, the same way stories are open to interpretation. Not everyone will see things identically; this is part of what makes fandom diverse and fun.

Second: You're giving them way too much credit.

I imagined the type of Neil/Lyle relationship I portrayed in my fic as soon as we got Lyle flirting so obviously with Tieria and Felt--whatever episode that was. Two? Three?

FFS... It's a kink meme. I have and will not be posting that stuff anywhere else because I know it is lacking certain vital explanations that a normal fic really ought to have (Like, oh, acknowledgement of INCEST. I find that to be something more important and deserving of explanation than making either of them into sluts) which is why it stays where it is, as it is.

See my previous comments about writing Lyle like you haven't seen past episode 5.

Do you realize that bitching about any fulfillment of any prompt on any Kink Meme is akin to bitching about gifts?

(For the record I agree with you. I think that it is out of character. I also think, however, that it's exquisitely poor taste to bitch about it.

Especially if any of those prompts were yours.)

They weren't mine. My bitching has mostly to do with the people worshipping the fic and then reproducing the character. (But that's a bit more complicated to explain in a F!S.)

It's like only the same few people writing the same characterization in a circle amongst themselves. I haven't seen anybody else aside from them trying to duplicate that yet and that characterization probably won't leave the kinkmeme.

If you're looking for deep characterization anyway, what are you doing in a kinkmeme in the first place? A lot of prompts are intentionally OOC.

The answer would be a very clear "not reading those ones". 00 fandom produces more porn/kinkmeme fics than anything else, sadly. So I'm getting fic where I can.

I really LOL over the bitching about any sluttiness on Lyle's part in my fic, because, you know what? He's sexually obsessed with his twin brother. He not only wants to sleep with his brother, he wants to sleep with his brother very, very badly.

Anon gets a gold star for bitching about Lyle being a slut but not caring that the rampant incest is never acknowledged! No, really. Gold star. A big one, with glitter and yellow construction paper and maybe even no paper cuts.

It's like... gah, like. Okay, like bitching about what color sprinkles you got on your ice cream sundae...when you ordered a banana split. Or something. IDK.

(Here's what you missed, due to lack of reading between the lines: All of the sleeping Lyle does with everyone else is exclusively because he can't sleep with Neil. Following that path of reasoning a few paces further, it means he would be a gentleman to Anew or Saji, because they never had anything to do with Neil. OTOH, he'd be pretty overtly sexual with Felt and Tieria, who were arguably the two CB members closest to Neil.

But then, I guess I should apologize for not beating you over the head with characterization so that it's easy to see how IC slut!Lyle can be. My bad, on that one.)

Why would I bother to address the thing that's so blatantly and retardedly not-canon that it's purely a matter of kink?

No thanks. Kink away, good anon. The fact that you've made your kink fit the canon by route of OOC is what I've got the problem with.

:( If only other people didn't agree that it were OOC, with even the molestingharo!mun wanting to deal with those issues.

Alright! Next time I write a pairing that is, as you so aptly put it, retardedly non-canon, I will make sure I portray the relationship as it is in canon so that it can be IC.

... o wait.

As someone with a Sam icon, I'm going to use Wincest as an example.

Is Sam/Dean a ridiculous non-canon pairing? Is it possible to still write them IC while having them fuck? Why-- yes it is! Pairing not being canon != OOC.

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I understand what you're saying, but it was a really bad example because Sam has kinda on numerous occasions expressed disinterest and/or disgust at the actuality of Dean having sex, so, uh. Anything where Sam has sex with Dean and doesn't find it at least slightly discomforting is OOC, imho. Sorry? XD

Anyway, I'll lrn2fanfiction if you'll lrn2kinkmeme.

...Wow, this thread kind of exploded while I wasn't paying attention, huh.

I'd like to make a small correction here. I still don't think we're writing Lyle OOC. I think my interpretation of his character in this fic is vastly different from how you see him, and I think that fact points to flaws in how I've portrayed him; if the fic was accurately representing the way I think of h_h!Lyle in my head, I don't think you'd have quite so much of a problem with it. I'm going to try to deal with that as best I can, but I maintain that I don't believe we're writing him wrong. We're just not writing him as well as we could be.

And your ice cream analogy isn't quite on the mark, Auto. If the prompt you wrote for wasn't OP's to begin with, then it's more like voicing complaints about the sprinkles on the ice cream sundae ordered by the next guy in line. When the rest of the sundae is Superkid and coconut gelato over tortilla chips.

Which is why I didn't say you thought he was OOC, but wanted to deal with some of the issues I brought up.

And if we're going to do the icecream thing: it's actually a lot more like being in an icecream shop, and people start ordering and buying gelato, but call it icecream. Gelato might be good in and of itself-- hell, some people like gelato better! But it's not icecream.

The way you constructed the sentence strongly implied the former, even if the latter is the literal interpretation.

I'm going to have to disagree about the ice cream. For one thing, yes it is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelato). It's a type of ice cream distinct from the type commonly made in North America, but both substances still belong to the same category; calling gelato "ice cream" is imprecise but not incorrect.

For another, I see where you're going with the nomenclature reference but under no conceivable interpretation am I, or is my collaborator, writing Lyle so drastically removed from his canon self that he no longer deserves to be called by the same name.

Sprinkles fits better because the nature of your concern is that I'm doing something which is fine for one person, or a few people, to choose individually, but which you believe shouldn't become the accepted standard.

Well, call my fic gelato topped with shredded mint leaves, and call Auto's fic gelato topped with shredded mint leaves and served over tortilla chips. I wouldn't want mint-leaf gelato to become standard serving practice, and I wouldn't want this fic's Lyle to become a fandom standby. But both are debatably acceptable in their narrow individual contexts.

*salute* I knew I should have gone with Sherbert. (If that's ice cream too, I really was a bad ice-cream store employer.)

As for your toppings proposition: excellent job. I shall accept it in its form, because you have phrased it so well.

Well, I'm glad we're in accord, then. :)

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