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⌈ Secret Post #756 ⌋

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101.

[Keith Olbermann]

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102.

[Pygmalion]

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103.

[Terrance Zdunich, Alexa Vega, Darren Bousman, Repo! The Genetic Opera]

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104.

[Nathaniel Grasion: Anita Blake Vampire Hunter, Duo Maxwell:Gundam Wing]

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105.

[World of Warcraft]

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106.

[Evangeline Lily]

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107.

[Dennou Coil]

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[24]

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112.

[Lewis Black]

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[Harry Potter/Minerva McGonnagall]

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121.

[Battlestar Galactica]

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124.

[Maria†Holic]

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126.

[Merlin]

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128.

[Fairy Tail]

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130.

[Vocaloids]

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131.

[Married with Children]

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133.

[David Cronenberg and Viggo Mortensen]

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134.

[Paul Magrs]

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135.

[Little Miss Sunshine]

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137. [posted twice]

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139. [repeat]

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[Lunia Online]

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[Gossip Girl]

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153.

[Evil Dead/Re-Animator]

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154.

[Tale of Despereaux]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel]

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156.

[Brock, Pokemon]

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157.

[Weeds]

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158.

[TWEWY]

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159.

[Pirates of the Caribbean]

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160.

[Heidi Blickenstaff, Susan Blackwell, the [title of show] show]

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161.

[20th Century Boys]

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162.

[NPR: Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!]

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164.

[Evangelion, Shinji]

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165.

[Kodomo no Jikan (Nymphet)]

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166.

[Big Bang Theory]

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167.

[Alan Shore (Boston Legal, The Practice)]

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[Joss Whedon]

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The thing is, the Doctor's reasoning in that scene is a good ol' appeal to nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature), and logic simply doesn't work that way. And yeah, maybe I'm overreacting, but this way of thinking has never done society any good. That's why it bothers me so much. 'You are wrong because you're against nature' is nothing you can ever rightfully say to anyone, and I'm annoyed with Doctor Who for establishing a canon that says otherwise.

I do most certainly understand that the Doctor is an ambiguous character. In fact, I think that 'incredibly nice and horribly cruel' is one of the most fitting descriptions of the tenth Doctor I've ever heard, so there you go. Of course, a character without flaws would hold no entertainment value whatsoever, and that's why I'm absolutely fine with that cruel side of his we occasionally get to see--actually, I love it. It's what keeps me watching, more than anything else. It's when flaws are presented as admirable qualities that I get angry. It's the difference between saying 'why, yes, jerks exist' and saying 'being a jerk is cool'.

See, I have to disagree here again. I don't at all think that scene was saying that jerks are cruel. If anything I think it was played out to be more of a sympathetic statement to Jack, in which they can then both agree on how hard immortality actually is.

I can't tell you how to feel about these things, I guess though, as a creative type (or a wannabe creative type) myself I cannot help but feel defensive to the author when I can understand what they were getting at and it gets misinterpreted. Of course, that isn't to say the Doctor Who writers CAN do no wrong... Even though I defended Davies earlier I have often found myself wanting to take him to the floor strangling him. I even have a joke with my friends that whenever he does something just near jumping-the-shark level that we clench our fists and shout "DAVIES!" at the sky. Just not over these two scenes. I guess, in actuality, the difference is that I truly felt moved by Donna's realization and passion to help those in need and I enjoyed being shown that the Doctor is not perfect BUT that he and Jack, as friends, could have an argument and possibly even hold hurt feelings (on Jack's side) and move past it.

But I dunno, I also like the "against nature" thing. I love abnormal things, I love "impossible" things, I also love the ability to be more than meets the eye. They are some of my favorite quirks in a character, so when they happen on Doctor Who they are fun - the best part of Jack is that, moral-reason and plot-reasons, Doc cannot "fix" him and he is just something they have to deal with.

Basically it all boils down to opinions, which are pointless to argue in the first place, but it can be fun to argue a bit from time to time. I still just have to disagree that the scene was meant to portray Doc's cruel statement as something admirable and I think it was quite the opposite. At least, to me, that is how I took it.

Oh, dear freaking God... it's a sci fi show. Jack is immortal and from the future and the Doctor is an alien from a different planet. They travel around space and time and fight aliens. What part of that even begins to establish some sort of moral code for society to follow? Characters are allowed to have 'flaws' and it shouldn't be thought of as horribly wrong when they do. Seriously... a 'hero' character doesn't have to be perfect all the time to still be a hero.

Also, I don't see anything particularly morally wrong with the Doctor's reaction to Jack's immortality. Really... if a Time Lord wants to think that someone being immortal goes against some laws of time or nature or whatever, then so be it.

I think you're taking it all a bit too seriously...

Yes, thank you! You summed it up brilliantly. Conflict keeps the world of plot goin' round!

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