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⌈ Secret Post #5238 ⌋

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[meadowphoenix]

So while your point was obviously specific to Captain America, I think the general considerations apply much more broadly.
I mean I'm making two points re: MCU through CA. 1) It constructs politics in a way that perpetuates propaganda and 2) its politics were constructed in a way that leaves its engagement with American sovereignty broadly appealing for marketing purposes. Symbols constructed with the former only have value to those who value the propaganda to begin with (which for the most part was white supremacy if not the right-wing anyway), which...is of questionable value to all those Americans who are victims of that propaganda. I think we need to far more discussion on what is actually valuable about those symbols which do that.

The latter is going to feel personally relevant to assholes of all political values because that's the point. Saying "there is an issue with watering down political philosophy for marketing purposes because the broad appeal easily validates assholes" isn't ceding anything to anyone, because there are plenty of assholes who simply aren't right-wing and there are plenty of ways to like...not do that, lmao. As an issue of construction you can construct it differently, right? Fanfic authors do it all the time. You also don't have to contest it that way.

Do not understand what you mean by "inclusive of white america" you'll have to explain.

Also I do still just disagree that the MCU version of the character is definitive to the extent that specific lines of dialogue in MCU movies can be taken as indicative of the symbolic meaning of Captain America in general.
when it comes to symbol construction the public doesn't need to remember the specifics of construction to have successfully constructed a symbol to those specifics. But yes, it's entirely naive to believe that mass symbols don't communicate a limited meaning which overwhelms other meanings. I actually think it's dangerous to ignore the power of corporations to put out simple effective messaging to overwhelm and then reduce more complex symbols to a simplistic state even in this context of entertainment.