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⌈ Secret Post #759 ⌋

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125 I don't think it's fandom that doesn't value non-romantic love; it's the larger culture. After all, how many films are about friendships? How many films/tv shows/books explicitly say that in order to have the healthy romantic relationship you're "supposed" to have, you will need to leave your less-mature single friends behind and possibly defy your family? It's the prioritization of the nuclear family over all other relationships, and it's been going on for a long time. In fact, a lot of slash is trying to assert the importance of the relationship, rather than accepting that it will take a back seat when the characters eventually "mature" into appropriate romantic relationships.

127 OK that Xhibit macro is HI-larious!

135 See icon. ITA!

136 This totally needed to be said, thank you!

144 I didn't learn the subjunctive in English class; I learned it in Latin class I think, or perhaps Spanish. A lot of public school grammar classes don't talk about the subjunctive mood.

168 If F!S has taught me anything, it's that people judge you for what font you use, so there's no point in worrying about it. Judgy people are judgy; I just try to avoid them.

OP sez: English Grammar at my school was mostly "a noun is a person, place or thing," and I didn't learn what to call the subjunctive until high school French, but I certainly used the mood before I knew its name. My own dialect uses it productively, but even if yours doesn't, it is still standard in written English.

I should say, I'm not big on the grammar judgy thing in any case, but here I'm standing my ground. I doubt everyone is surrounded by people who always use standard written English as their form of everyday speech, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who say, "If I was." If you don't have it taught to you in school, I'm not sure you'd know for sure what is standard written English. In other words, you can only be responsible for what is taught or pointed out to you.

Also, I don't think all comments need to be in perfect standard written English. They aren't proofread by a copyeditor, after all. As for fics, they usually have the subjunctive mood in dialogue, where perfect standard written English can sound very stilted.

Language is a living thing. I think grammar harshness can get very close to milk-in-first kinds of NOCD, and that makes me nervous. (Not to mention that despite going to an Ivy and being a grad student, it always makes me feel like the white trash third grader in a crappy small-town school trying to diagram sentences that I once was.)

144) Indeed they do not! I also learned it in Latin, and then made myself go BACK and learn it in English, because I was pissed I'd been missing out on that all my life (but then, I'm a language geek, and that really rubbed me raw). I think for many people, you don't learn much about your own language until you learn another, because then you're forced more to rely on the actual grammar and piecing together of a language than with your native one, which just comes naturally.

Agreed! The colors are so annoying. Most of the time they don't match any colors in the picture and are just confusing.

That's interesting. I enjoy slash, among other types of pairings, and I can see how writing a character falling in love with his best friend shows that the friendship really is the most important relationship in their lives. But still, it's making it a romance, not a friendship. (and yes, I know that the two can overlap- people saying their husband or wife is their best friend makes this anon go awwwww.) If the point is that non-romantic relationships are also valuable, why are we having same gender friends or siblings get together romantically, instead of just having them continue to be friends or siblings but the most important person in each other's lives?

A good portion of the things I ship evolved from friendship, so I'm not saying that friends should only ever be friends... but if someone wants to prove two characters' friendship is very very important, why is that always done by getting them to make out?

My grammar teaching was almost totally absent - I got into an argument with my English teacher about it one time when I bitched that we never actually learned English. She told me to be quiet and stop being stupid. I learned all of my grammar from extensive reading and from being told when I was wrong on the internet, actually. While making the mistake won't make me ~*~judge you~*~, being told you're making it and then STILL doing it will make me start ~*~judging~*~.

This.

Some of the English teachers at my school were just awful, the school self-published a student short story anthology and it was riddled with errors - and I was in Year Nine and if I could see them, you know there's something wrong.

(As much as I love my friend (her bad English the exception), her English teacher didn't even bother to correct the spacing, grammar or the story AT ALL so I just couldn't read her story no matter how hard I tried. It didn't help she refused my constructive critisms because she got a 9/10 for what I see as the badly-written stuff from ff.net or fictionpress... :c)

P.S inb4 being a hypocrite, as I'm still learning my grammar. Too bad I didn't get the grammar Nazi in my school. D:

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