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And neither does this commenter apparently... (unless you were deliberately writing that way to make a point, in which case, apologies)

Many people do speak grammatically correctly, or at the very least make an attempt. Granted, the subjunctive is dying out because so many people have either forgotten it, or likely never learned that it was "something" in the first place--I know I never learned about it until I learned another language and was informed that yes, it exists in English as well, and X, Y, and Z are the instances in which it's used. But it's still very much alive in other senses, even if people don't use the, "If I were..." usage much anymore.

English speakers in general should, in theory, strive for grammatical correctness, or else eventually no one's going to understand each other, but I'm willing to accept that the subjunctive (in 144's particular use) is already so out of use among the general English-speaking populace that no one would look askance at you if you misused it or didn't use it.

Except for people like the OP and me :P

English speakers in general should, in theory, strive for grammatical correctness, or else eventually no one's going to understand each other...

While I do think that people should strive for being grammatically correct, but remember that languages evolve. If the subjective is falling out of favor, it means that there wasn't a critical need for it in the first place. It happens, it's human nature.

Yeah, that's why I said "in theory." I meant more that some people may argue the wrong version of what you said -- language evolution -- and misconstrue it to mean ANY mangling of English grammar is acceptable because lolololol that's language evolution, man! If everyone start to talking this like soon not anyone would have been understanding, yes?

I'll accept subjunctive's on the way out, but I'll be damned if that's gonna stop me from using it when it took me 7 years of Latin to learn it :P

I think you give humans less credit than they deserve. I mean, we still correct people when needed. But I think the subjective is a different case in that very rarely people use it anymore so it's dying. That's a case of evolution in progress.

People won't create a different language or dialect without having a group of people to speak it with. Language is our primary means of direct communication, humans won't be in a spot that no one could understand the other. That's why we learn foreign languages and the like as well.

but i done not be educated that good.

internet!

Is it really that strange to use the subjunctive? Things like "If I was..." are incredibly irritating to me, so I do notice when people do it and I don't feel it's as wide spread as all that. More people get it right than otherwise in my experience.

I have always known that "If I were" was correct, even if I didn't know what it was called until I learned subjonctif in French class. Same with most of the rules of grammar, they don't teach them any more, but most people subconsciously know them because they read.

Really, no -- I mean, people use it every day, like you said, without even realizing it. Recite the postman's oath ("Come rain, come wind...") or say your wedding vows ("...until death do us part..."), or heck, sing the Oscar Meyer song ("Oh I wish I were an Oscar Meyer weiner~") and you're using it.

Hypercorrection, though, has pushed it so near the grave that it's one foot in already -- without context and a knowledge of the existence of a special mood which uses is, most people would probably say the use of a singular pronoun with a plural verb is incorrect.

Yeah, I caught that after I hit post. I think there's some kind of metaphysical law wherein anyone writing on pedantic grammar pet peeves will make one or more obvious grammatical mistakes in direct proportion to their vitriol.

OMG facepalm.jpg

I was just responding to something I hallucinated. Don't mind me.

This.

I didn't realise it was called the subjunctive until just now, actually, but hearing 'if I was' just sounds oh-so-incredibly wrong to me.

English speakers in general should, in theory, strive for grammatical correctness, or else eventually no one's going to understand each other

Oh god the slippery slope here. If such was the case, we would still be using the case systems of Old English. Hell, of Indo-European.

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