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⌈ Secret Post #759 ⌋

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The subjunctive is so completely useless in English, you've got to expect that it'll die out.

I was all set to agree with you mournfully, and then someone showed me this: http://www.ceafinney.com/subjunctive/guide.html

And I realised that we're both wrong. The subjunctive is everywhere! People just don't know that it is the subjunctive. So it's not going anywhere, it's just not getting the recognition it deserves!

Yes, it's used, and I try to make sure I use it correctly myself, but it doesn't particularly mean anything that isn't given away by the context. Just look at their examples. "If" tells the reader it's a conditional, and the subjunctive isn't necessary to know whether or not it's contrafactual either. Their wish statements all have the word "wish" in them. The "conjunctive formulas" they show all sound like very old fashioned. I think things that don't lend much meaning tend to wither and fall out of a living language eventually.

Maybe it's just because I'm coming from a standpoint of someone who studies Latin and Greek where the subjunctive has a great deal more meaning, but to me, it's completely unnecessary to give it special attention in English.

I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're trying to say in your first point there... The subjunctive is just the name for the mood of the verb, and in those instances you can't really use anything else. Even if you don't need to make a special deal of "this is this kind of sentence therefore I shall use the subjunctive" you still use it... Indicatives just wouldn't work.

And hey, I study Latin too. :) It's weird, I've seen a lot of people mention that tonight.

It is a little hard to find a way to put my argument since my brain is currently fried from translating Cicero. XD But! I mostly mean that it's used based on what sounds right these days, and if it falls into disuse (as it slowly is for conditionals), I don't see the problem with that. It seems like a natural progression of English to me.

I sympathise so hard with that statement, by the way. Pro Milone just about killed me, if I remember rightly. :)

I think I'm with you on the conditionals, for the most part, particularly the natural progression bit ;), but for the rest of it I think it'll stick for quite a while. But that's cool, and even though I know we're neither of us up in arms and raving about it, I'd hate to start an argument about possibilities... XD So I'll shut up now.

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