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⌈ Secret Post #760 ⌋

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101.

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[Battlestar Galactica]

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[Anderson Cooper]

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[Hayate the Combat Buttler, Nagi and the Student Council Trio]

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[Smallville, Supernatural]

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107.

[Nabari no Ou]

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108.

[Heroes and 'Gute zeiten, Schlechte Zeiten']

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109.

[Hellboy 2]

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[Bleighton]

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112. [repeat]

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[Psych, Dexter]

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114. [repeat]

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[Supernatural]

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[High School Musical]

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[PGSM RPFS Keiko KitagawaXAyaka Komatsu]

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[resized, not repeat]

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134.

[Kimi wa Petto]

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[Scrooged]

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[Avatar]

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[Ghostbusters]

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[katemodern]

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[The Terminator/T2: Judgment Day]

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[Lordi]

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[Left4Dead]

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[Tokio Hotel]

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[Phoenix Wright/Ace Attorney]

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[Kodomo no Jikan]

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[Avatar, Stormbenders]

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[Friendly Hostility]

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[Being Human]

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173. [not a secret]

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[Hugh Laurie/Stephen Fry; House/Wilson]

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You don't understand the meaning of predetermination in this situation. Who is the you weighting the options if not a system of perception, hormones and logical thought? Said decision was nothing but an illusion; it was nothing but the logical consequence of the combination of some determined situation, background and biology.

I know I am me because I can determine that I am. I have the capacity to understand that I am myself. My thoughts, my sentience, all determine that which is me.

I think, therefor I am.

The point is that understanding is basic in logic, you merely perceive and decode. You are a temporary construct of action-reaction reason, hormones and experience. Thinking is merely a consequence to the external. You wouldn't be you under different circumstances because this "being" that is you is merely an outcome.

If you had no computer to be reading this right now or if you were never given proper education or and or and or. And this is me simplifying everything to the understandable. It goes much further into your microbiology and the way our brain is built.

The "I think, therefor I am" does nothing to contradict a lack of free will.

But the point that things could've been different does not undermine the idea of free will either. Yes, things could've happened differently. I could've been born elsewhere. But I would've still been a person. And ultimately, I was not born somewhere else and my life has existed as it has.

I do not merely think and decode either. I do not run solely on logic and hormones. I have emotions, I have thoughts. I can problem-solve, and ultimately I can choose. As logical as the argument may be, it does not take away the fact that I do have choices and I do make those choices of my own will.

Emotions are determined by experience and hormones while thoughts and problem-solution work on a fundamental action-reaction basis. You're a reaction to previous events, both in the microscopic and macroscopic levels.

Your statement is "I have free will because I have free will" with no actual argument to back it up. It is a simplistic appeal to emotion rather than to logic. Unless you believe in something like transcendental in the line of a soul, it is impossible to defend the idea of free will.

Meanwhile, you privilege logic over all other ways of knowing because of the society you live in and the legacy of the Enlightment. In fact, you assume that because an argument is not necessarily logical, it is automatically invalid, but there really isn't a reason as to why a logical argument is better than an instinctive one, especially when the topic is "Do I have free will."

This has nothing to do with instinct versus logic. Realization of determinism doesn't imply total disregard of instinct. Why would it? Nothing changes in the way you run your life, nothing. The fact of the matter is, those emotions, external ideas of responsibility, logic and the like are the best things we have to go by at the time, determinism or not.

I'm only representing my own arguments on the subject where applicable and while I'm very sure of my deterministic point of view to a degree I'm also not positive that it can be proved or exploited in any meaningful way. This does not, however, mean that no support for determinism can be derived from a universe that in many ways function as clockwork. It's in this root where I find more reasons to think that humans are driven by a clockwork system rather than the spark of free-will.

Sigh.

This has nothing to do with instinct versus logic.

Given that you've been throwing 'logic' around for this entire argument, I think it sort of does.

In the context of proving a reality, logic is certainly the only way to go. I never claimed otherwise.

Why is that so? What is 'proof' anyway? Western society's reliance on logic is a cultural stricture that a lot of Eastern philosophers don't understand.

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