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[The Crown]

I can't feel sorry for him or for Camilla when they had an affair and Diana is dead, sorry!

She was a 19-year-old who got pulled into the drama of someone having an existing relationship/him already having feelings for someone else.

Charles should have been less of a giant pussy and arranged to marry Camilla instead, but he ruined someone else's life instead.

Poor Cammie marrying someone else but instead of being a good human being she continued to be a cheating piece of shit along with Chuckles. Fuck them both. No sympathy here.

*Di had her faults but I fell nothing but disgust for Horseface and Dumbo

St Diana multiply cheated too, but hey, she can't be criticised. OK then

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(Anonymous) - 2021-06-10 01:18 (UTC) - Expand

I always laugh my head off when people use Horseface to insult Camilla’s looks in comparison to Diana. If anyone had a horseface...

As someone who couldn't care less about the royal family and was made to watch it by my mother who's always been a Diana fan, I did feel for Charles and to a lesser extent Camilla. I didn't use to have an actual opinion on Diana - except for the fact that I didn't like her hairstyle - but the Crown made me really dislike her. Now I judge my mother's admiration for a woman who was portrayed as being pretty pathetic when all is said and done. I don't get how she's supposed to be relatable at all. I get that the real Diana did good things for charities and the whole aids thing and that's great, but I found the character way too naive and whiny, and she grated on my nerves.

Then again my favourite "character" that season was Margaret Thatcher, which doesn't mean I agree with her politics I feel the need to specify.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEmIIl96zk0

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(Anonymous) - 2021-06-10 00:17 (UTC) - Expand

Don't be dismissive of the charity side - she did amazing work for AIDS patients very early in the epidemic. At a stage when nobody knew how it was transmitted and people (including children) were driven out of their homes for having it, she went into hospitals and shook hands (without gloves) and hugged patients. It was a massive turn-around and I don't think people who weren't there at the time can understand how important it was.

Nah

nah fuck both of them

It always feels so surreal to see everyone so invested in the royal family like this - but then again I grew up never caring about them while everyone around me constantly tried to make me care since we live here in the UK.

Like... I've never really seen them as celebrities or anything like that, even though I guess they do count.
It's double weird to see it as a drama.

God same. Also in the UK here. I just don't care. It's like being randomly invested in your neighbour's family shenanigans FFS.

Maybe if the Queen was, idk, pissing on foreign dignitaries and letching on stable boys on the sly or something I might be moved to give a fuck. Just not for all this petty run of the mill human stuff.

The character was a child in season two.

I like remembering that Diana pushed her stepmother down the stairs.

Charles had a lot of shit going on, but was also a total shit. Nothing excuses that. How he was brought up doesn't excuse that. The way upper class society uses people doesn't excuse that. He's not all bad, but no one is.

Likewise, Diana had a lot of shit going on, and also pushed her stepmother down the stairs. Being used by upper society doesn't excuse that. She's seems to have been a very good person, but she also pushed her stepmom down the stairs. And kicked her out of the house when her dad died with all her belongings stuffed into trashbags.

I'm in my mid thirties and when I was a kid, the only royal family member I knew anything about was Princess Diana. She was always on tabloid magazine covers and mentioned on news segments and on talk shows. And had I taken the content at face value, I'd have thought her an AWFUL person. The press/media, even in the US, eviscerated her daily. Not all press, not every gossip columnist. But enough that my overall impression is that she was at least very controversial if not outright disliked. When she died (i have a vivid memory of my friends mother showing us the newspaper front page PRINCESS DIANA DEAD) I was really surprised at how upset the world seemed. Because from what I gleaned, people really didnt like her. And they hadnt respected her either. Whether or not she had any right to privacy was a hot debate and crazily enough wasnt settled when paparazzi actually chased her into a fatal car accident.

Basically I was just really really surprised to read that you felt the public was always sympathetic and warm towards Diana. But! I understand that this in comparison to how the public treated Charles. Which I cant speak to.

Strangely, I'm also in my mid thirties and all I remember was everybody wetting themselves with admiration over Diana.

Everyone seemed to adore her. I didn't see the appeal, she was just a sad looking woman with bad hair and who wore more outfits than a clothes horse and did a lot for charity, but everyone else seemed to just love her. And fair enough, her charity was a serious thing back then, she did things others wouldn't, and if she should be known for that, that's understandable. I always remember her being the nation's darling.

I don't remember the idea of her being an awful person, though. Nothing besides rumours of Harry being an illegitimate child of her and either James Hewitt or some sportsman or other. Other than that, all I remember of the Royal Family news was how Charles was shagging Camilla and that it wasn't even much of a secret, despite their marriage.

Overall, I found it all very boring ... then I remember the breaking news report concerning her death. Really vividly.

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(Anonymous) - 2021-06-10 04:54 (UTC) - Expand

I agree, OP. Charles wasn't perfect, but he was bullied into things that made him miserable for most of his life (or totally denied things that made him happy), and pushed into marrying Diana because everyone desperately wanted him to produce an heir.

Camilla and he should have married years before, though obviously the 'royal family' et al couldn't have Charles marrying 'sullied goods' and divorced, at that.

Mostly, they all seem to have had fairly miserable lives for large stretches of time, and while I felt sorry for Diana having to give up her privacy and whatnot, she actively went after Charles, and *wanted* that life. She was bullied, too, and denied things, but they all made terrible choices and did crappy things.

From strictly The Crown -- not really interested in discussing the real people -- my one point of empathy for Charles was that he was born a man. I kept thinking that his passivity could have been an asset to the family if he had been a woman, but he was unfortunately born to a role where he was required to stand up for himself. And he failed miserably at that.

I feel bad for Camilla in the way that people generally feel bad for women who clearly have no self-respect. Charles, on the other hand, was too much of a wiener to stand up to his mother regarding his love life, too entitled to not have an affair with the woman he was too cowardly to marry, and too stupid to keep the affair discreet. Hard to dredge up much sympathy there.

I feel bad for all of them. The strict rules of royalty are not something anyone should be forced to endure. Charles couldn't marry the woman he wanted to, Diana didn't get anything she wanted out of the marriage, and they both cheated on each other a lot.

Like, fandom people often bring out how cheating in an arranged marriage is okay, and that is what this was.

"the crown is just like rpf" anon if you're reading this, yeah this whole thread is creeping me out. people earnestly speculating and opinionating on complete strangers private lives and personalities

fuckin bizarre

DA

Yeah, and it's even worse under any type of news and gossip story about this bunch. They basically function as a soap (and somehow, "RPF is icky, how can you" never comes into play here - and I write it as a eprson who's not into RPF).

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(Anonymous) - 2021-06-10 15:09 (UTC) - Expand

The "You're Wrong About Podcast" ep on Diana is interesting in this vein.

I feel sorry for him. He did have feelings for her. Being around when it all happened, she was definitely a young woman thrown into an impossible position. But Charles was far more affectionate with Diana than depicted in the show. His sons aren't estranged from him, which says a lot.

Yeah, I’m with you. The Diana was a saint and Charles & Camilla were evil narrative has always annoyed the hell out of me, and I was dreading it getting a new life with the show.

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