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fandomsecrets2009-02-07 05:42 pm
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[ SECRET POST #764 ]
⌈ Secret Post #764 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 20 pages, 492 secrets from Secret Submission Post #110.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 125
The issue with the Vieux Cordelier, however, is that Camille was certainly appealing to Robespierre as a friend, but he's also insulting his position as a tyrant - I believe #5 is when it starts going catastrophically wrong for Camille, actually..? It's been a very long time since I've reviewed that, so I'm working on memory and secondary sources at the moment. ^^
I always got the impression that Camille did to a certain degree, at least in his writing, ascribe guilt to the current situation to Robespierre via pointing out, constantly, that Robespierre was in a position of power. Furthermore, given the tense atmosphere of 1794, there's no way that Camille honestly thought he could change the government of CSP to government with Danton without knocking Robespierre entirely out of politics. One ought to keep in mind that the argument in French politics ever since 1789 until 1945 was not "who should be in government" but "what government should we have". It's a constitutional question. In 1794, I think, given the situation and the precedents!, that Camille (at most) hoped that Robespierre would switch sides to the Dantonist one, but more realistically thought that it was necessary to remove Robespierre and his government entirely. One can completely understand Robespierre's response to what would be perceived a threat like that, though one doesn't necessarily approve of him as a person for it...
I definitely got more the impression that he was calling Robespierre a tyrant. Certainly, he was saying that Robespierre was heading down the road to tyranny, but he emphasizes over and over what Robespierre can personally do to fix the situation, without keeping in mind that it would be quite difficult for Robespierre to do so, being one of twelve - and one of the twelve who is in minority and with his allies aside. Camille would certainly know this; Paris is not so large that he could have missed it. Even with the CSP working in secret, it's pretty obvious. Also, even if he's just trying to warn Robespierre, doing so in such a public forum as his journal - and given who are the people who are his reading public - gives much more the impression that he is not warning the man to beware of tyranny, but the people to notice how the man is failing to beware of tyranny.
Camille would also likely be aware of the complete failure of previous forms of government, particularly under wartime conditions. The guilt over the Brissotins as far as I can tell almost universally ascribed to Camille's change of view; I've never seen any version that explains it any more rational way (most are either saying that he was just a blind pro-Dantonist at that time or that he was honestly just trying to fix the Terror and screwing up his method of doing so). He could have chosen any number of other ways to campaign for moderacy, including advocating the inclusion of Dantonists onto the CSP (after all, the Hebertists did it and managed to skew the CSP's position further left), but he chose instead to appeal to Robespierre personally and warn of tyranny instead of advocating any rational method or way to change things. Given the history not only of Camille himself but of his party in regards to insurrections, it's understandably difficult to see it as less than a possible threat to the whole system of government - which, while few will argue weren't living up to the ideals of the revolution, were currently in the process of saving it. It's hard to see the war for the future of the revolution surviving long if intead of the CSP they had been under the leadership of Danton (who did have and take his chance, earlier on).
(more in second one, I talk too much for LJ!)