[ SECRET POST #764 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #764 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[for the non-UK: pissed = drunk]


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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 20 pages, 492 secrets from Secret Submission Post #110.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 125 (part2)

[nirejseki.livejournal.com]

I don't think Camille was a mindless sheep either; to be honest I think he's much more adult than most people give him credit for. But I honestly think he is somewhat weak-willed (not a crime) and somewhat too earnest. He acted mostly on emotions but that he usually meant them honestly. But if he knew about the level of Danton's complicity in various corrupt acitivies, it's hard to see him arguing just for the benefit of the revolution. He probably honestly thought Danton would be best for moderation and the ideal of the revolution, but he went about calling for it in the way he always did, and that scared the officials for rather obvious reasons. Insurrection thus far has never ended kindly to those who tried to be the government in Paris, all the way down to 1871, or indeed into the 1940s. It's hard to believe that in 1794, the height of the Terror, that Camille was unaware of the impact of what he was saying; to say that he was is to reduce him to the child most people portray him as. I'd rather think he meant what he said and was calling for insurrection - which makes him a nasty friend, but true to what he's saying..

Re: the Jacobins - if he was merely upholding his right to the freedom of the press, and if he was willing to do this and risk arrest, then there is no reason he should have continued to swear that he was not writing them (repeatedly, not just at the Jacobins!), nor for why he insisted publically that he gave Robespierre all of them to check (an obvious fallacy, because Robespierre is unlikely to have approved anything that referred to him as going down the road to tyranny...). At any rate, we have no idea what any of them were thinking at the time, so for all we know we're both utterly wrong about what was going on at the time.

I agree that Camille is more than just sweet and childish - indeed upon reading the OP's post I thought that it was referring to the fandom characterization of him (including books and movies), which leave out any spine he may have had whatsoever in favor of being cute and adorable. Though I may be misreading it, that was what I thought it said, and I thought you were advocating the other side of it. ^^ If the man was indeed a full grown man, he ought to be held accountable for all of his actions. I tend to read his later works as being pro-Danton to the exclusion often of sense, but I don't think he's just being misled. I do think that he reduces himself somewhat to the level of a child, and that if most if not all of his contemporaries viewed him as one than it should be admitted as one of his main traits.

At any rate, I think we generally agree that the ideal Camille characterization is somewhere between the cute-and-adorable-only view and the Camille-is-the-essence-of-evil approach, no..? I take a somewhat more critical view of it than you, which is ironic because philosophically I'd be more likely to go for moderation, but I think Camille and Danton rather screwed it up in their attempt, and that their attempt stank of more of a grab for power under the guise of idealism - at least, I think Danton was grabbing for power and that Camille thought that the change was going to be more idealistically based than it was. But that's my reading of it, not necessarily anywhere near the truth. ^^

Yay, friending! ^_^ I'd love to continue the conversation with you on some other format (mostly to save everyone at F!S a headache after we're done with this!) Do you have some IM I could reach you at sometime? I'm riderriddle on AIM.

Re: 125

[lacommunarde.livejournal.com]

I'm objecting to both. His characterization in books and movies is objectionable first and foremost. He is portrayed as either very drunk and therefore unaware of even his actions let alone the consequences of them (The Gods are Thirsty is an example of this) or very childish, to the point where he cannot be held responsible for his actions either. I object to these portrayals because he is 34 years old, not a child, and should be able to be held responsible for his own actions.

However, he seems to be a rather childish and spiteful adult and does not seem to be aware that his actions have consequences most of the time. Yes, he was advising the CSP not to become tyrannical, but he seems to think that doing so will not get people whispering about tyranny. Yes, he was calling on the CSP to stop the Terror, but by calling specifically on Robespierre to do this, it seems as though he wanted... I don't know what. It seems like he should have at least thought about the effects of his words on others. He seems to have very selective memory, to only be aware of these effects long enough to be vain about them. So the traits I'm noticing are vanity, childishness or at least strange actions like the "point-scoring" mentioned above, inability or unwillingness to think of the effects of his actions, a bit of a passive aggressive streak, etc. When added together, these traits have tended to make some very irritating individuals.