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Doctors are a female dominated profession?

A surprising amount of people see a female doctor and recontextualize her in their head as a nurse. Even if she's clearly a doctor and called that. Or they recontextualize doctor as "someone who takes care of others therefore feminine."

Also, I've heard that in Russia doctors are mainly female because of said caregiving role, and therefore have less prestige than they do in other countries.

My BFF (female) is a doctor. She often says it's still really hard because the nurses want to clear things with another (male) doctor, blatantly ignore her requests and have even made sure she gets the more difficult patients.

The amount of times patients/visitors assume our male nurses are doctors and our female doctors are nurses is depressing. If a female doctor is wearing scrubs, she's always guaranteed to be assumed a nurse.

Honestly as a hospital worker I assume anyone in scrubs is a nurse regardless of sex lol. I've mistaken secretaries, cleaning staff, doctors (who give you the most fucking attitude it because heaven forbid they be mistaken for a nurse), students.

99% of the time I can't see your badge and you're all wearing fucking scrubs. Don't give me attitude if I need a nurse to witness my narcotic delivery and I mistake you for one. It's not an insult.

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(Anonymous) - 2021-07-16 20:03 (UTC) - Expand

Not in the UK they aren't (it's about 45% female, I think?). And the ratio is even worse in the US.

Certainly in the UK female doctors are somewhat more likely to be in general practice, where the average person is most likely to encounter them, so you might think there are more women in the profession than there are, but it's still a male dominated profession, and I'm gloomily reminded of those stats about how little women have to say in meetings before they're perceived as dominating the talk.

exactly, which is why the question mark.

Yeah, I wondered that myself...

Weird. TNG was a huge eye-opener to me as a young child because the women in it weren't defined by their gender. In any other show where the head doctor of anything was female, it would have been touched on in some way like showing her having to put up with sexist comments or talking about how hard it was for her to reach that position as a woman. (However this was all noted through the eyes of me as an eight-year-old, so take that as you will.) I'm still a fan of the show and it's not as perfect about it as I viewed it back then, but it's still pretty close I think.

On the other hand though, female characters who are "honorary men" isn't a thing unless it's a joke, and I find people who use that language just don't like the fact that women who are too masculine for their tastes exist.

I can relate to the whole "growing out of bad feminist takes" thing. I feel like a lot of us can. I remember arguing that emotionally unhealthy, self-sabotaging female characters (such as Kara Thrace) could be great characters but they were absolutely NOT feminist characters because they weren't modelling healthy female personhood (ugh). I guess I thought feminist characters had to be prescriptive or order to be beneficial? I do not remotely agree with that anymore.

Yep, it was something I had to outgrow too. There’s a reason the phrase “strong female character” has received so much valid pushback. Personally, I didn’t particularly frame it as rejecting femininity in favor of masculine(-coded) characters, but as saying I “held female characters to higher standards/expected better” and other BS like that.

I personally loved Beverly, damn I even loved Deanna Troi, who was even more defined by her feminine qualities. I'm glad that feminism has turned around to the idea that one can be feminine and be a feminist. I find it offensive that a woman in a female orientated job can't be feminist. I'm a mental health nurse. And the job is deeply underappreciated and very stressful at times. We work hard and don't get much kudos because it's seen as a "female job". Anyways, glad you're turned around on the subject, OP.

Yeah, Troi was much more "feminine" in the sense that she was an empath! I guess it bears thinking why they didn't make a male actor the empath and a female the emotionless Data.

I loved her, too. I didn't dislike any of the female characters, tbh.

Troi was criminally underused. When the writers actually gave Sirtis something to do, she was brilliant.

I think it's only realistic for female characters to be affected by experiences common to women. Of course, there are the diatribes characters go on about gender or race that seem forced and out of touch but I really appreciate it when I can see myself and my experiences in female characters.

This.

I think that kind of mindset entirely depends on who is creating said characters - like you do get people who write women well as a character and not just something along the lines of 'Because of being woman = is caring and is meant to be mother/emotional lamp post for plot.'
Star Trek can be a mix bag because on one hand there's been some awesome depictions of female characters in various versions of Star Trek - but on the other hand you get a bland fucker like Rick Berman who has priorities like the presentation of boobs over character development.

I wish there were more masculine female characters, especially ones where the writers didn't feel the need to prove they were actually girls in various ways. I want some fully masculine female characters.

but at the same time, feminine female characters are also awesome. And dr. Crusher is awesome.

I would like to see more straight masculine women because growing up in my area, I see a lot of women like that but they don't come up very often in media.

Yes. 100% agreed.

Just more variety in all characters period would be nice lol

Tasha Yar in Star Trek: TNG was one (unfortunately not there for long), along with Major Kira from DS9 (major character throughout).

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tree_and_leaf - 2021-07-16 20:41 (UTC) - Expand

I want to see more characters that mix traditionally male and female traits. There are plenty of women who do this, and yet in media it tends to be either one or the other. I work in a male dominated profession (IT), I'm not interested in a lot of 'typical' female things like make up or fashion or reality tv (I realise that is a giant stereotype there, sorry), and I love scifi and dystopic fiction. And yet, I am also very feminine with long hair and only wear dresses and skirts. I love confusing people, but I also want to see more variety of characters and personalities in general.

Yeah, it was unfortunate that they lost Yar so quickly, because then their two main female characters were the doctor and the counsellor. But Beverley and Deanna themselves are cool, especially when they actually got things to do!

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