[ SECRET POST #5305 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5305 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. https://i.ibb.co/stt7c4Q/basketcasekirk.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, is Kirk the preferred bottom in the Trek fandom?! Because I feel like it's usually the popularly preferred bottom who gets infantilized and woobified to this degree, and if that character is Kirk I'm super amused. I totally would've assumed it was Spock getting that treatment, and definitely would not have thought it was Kirk.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here. Yes, in my experience reading the fandom, Pine!Kirk is usually written as either a pushy or basket-case bottom boy for some reason. Shatner!Kirk? Not so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Meanwhile, I don't remember reading many.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here. Lucky you! I largely read in McSpirk and Spones with occasional McKirk but with very little pure Spirk, so maybe it's not as prevalent in other branches of the fandom where I don't read much.

[(Anonymous)]

Fanfic writers do that to every adult male character they think is hot, it's kind of exhausting

[iff_and_xor]

Are these fics supposed to be sympathetic to Kirk? I don't read Star Trek fic, but I feel like in other fandoms the characters may be highly woobie-fied, but at least usually maintain their professional competence...e.g. Tony Stark, The Doctor, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

This was big in SGA fandom and the characters usually maintained their professionalism.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here. He's being woobiefied and is being portrayed as incompetent; apparently so that young, troubled authors can write vicarious "I want to be rescued and babied by big strong adults" fics with him as their self-insertion vehicle. A lot of the fics that do this seize on Kirk's TOS experiences with Kodos the Executioner, export it to the rebootiverse, and and postulate him having crippling PTSD, eating disorders, suicidal depression, etc. growing out of that experience. Others are motivated by the movies' portrayal of Kirk growing up with Uncle Frank and decide Frank starved/physically abused/sexually abused him, with similar results. In either case, the Kirk they postulate could never pass any of the psych exams that would certainly be required to get into Starfleet, much less become a captain.

[pantswarrior]

...As an author who likes to whump the crap out of everyone and everything, I am now ashamed that I never thought of exporting Kodos to the reboots. Cause duuuuude. That has some potential, and I like it.

Do not like woobifying Kirk though, especially to the point of being unable to perform his professional duties. So maybe it's a good thing I quit reading reboot fic while I was writing my own, and then kind of never started again. I mean everyone's free to write what they like, and I'm sure a lot of other people apparently like woobie!Kirk if there's so much of that kind of fic... I'm just not one of them. :P

[(Anonymous)]

This reminds me of crappy manga I stumble on from time to time. I love when characters have big breakdowns but I love when characters claw their way through difficulties, fighting every step of the way.

[(Anonymous)]

lol I'm definitely guilty of reading and writing angsty hurt/comfort whumpy AOS Kirk. It's just fun and my personal favourite flavour - sorry for the inconveniences OP :P

[(Anonymous)]

OP here. No sweat; I just got tired of seeing so many of them and needed to vent. ;-) Enjoy/write away! I can always read something else.

[(Anonymous)]

This feels really ableist

[(Anonymous)]

OP here. I understand where you're coming from, but unfortunately in practical reality, as someone who is both physically disabled and has been diagnosed with clinical depression, I have learned harsh reality sometimes makes perfect equity impractical. I recognize there are some things *I either shouldn't or could't do.* Among the things I have to accept as a disabled person are that I can't free-climb a mountain and that I shouldn't ever be in command of a vessel that routinely encounters high-risk situations that require physical and emotional fitness for successful negotiation. Could I captain a vessel that does low-risk backwater milk runs or low-danger research missions, etc.? Probably. But if the captain of a flagship enmeshed in constant hostile conditions is not able to take effective action for either emotional or physical reasons, that captain's crew would soon suffer unreasonable harm as a result, and in the highly dangerous situations Star Trek involves, the whole crew (and captain too) would soon be dead. Therefore, I must maintain that writing a flagship captain whom the fleet allows to face never-ending front-line, dangerous encounters with hostile forces and crisis conditions/situations over the long term, while the captain remains incapable of action and languishes with his lovers covering for him, would be out of character for everyone involved. That situation would be unrealistic even if it wasn't Starfleet and Jim Kirk.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I meant more the labeling of certain things as "teen girl" conditions.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I confess that was a bit sexist/stereotypical. My apologies

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not in Trek fandom but this pretty much always happens to the fandom fave male character. I don't know why it's appealing to strip everything interesting about a character away and turn them into a useless mess but hey, at least I can suss out the markers for it pretty fast these days so I know not to bother with fic that'll be doing this.

[(Anonymous)]

A long while back I remember beginning to read an Avengers fic where Tony F*cking Stark had a random crying breakdown about his dad being a meanypants or something. A part of me was really glad when Iron Man 3 came out and Tony all but looked into the camera and said "I don't have time for that sh!t."

[(Anonymous)]

X-D

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly canon doesn't stop the fanon. I've got several male faves who are competent adults, even if they have their issues, one rarely cries because it's not something he does... yet every fic: weepy little useless baby boy who needs someone to take care of him because he can't do anything. I literally cannot understand how warping a character so much is fun.