[ SECRET POST #775 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #775 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Non-Adventures of Wonderella, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog]


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[Hey! Arnold]


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[The Revengers Tragedy, Ambitioso/Supervacuo]


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[Sam Anders, Battlestar Galactica]


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[Hannah Montana]


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[Dark Tower]


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[Metalocalypse]


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[Fresh Precure]


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[Phantasy Star Online]


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[NCIS]


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[Avenue Q]


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[Ren and Stimpy]


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[Jade Empire]


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[Let the Right One In]


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[the Beatles]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 147 secrets from Secret Submission Post #111.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Insults are nothing but opinions, regardless of their ties to reality. Uninformed opinions, perhaps, but still nothing other than opinions. You can't force people to exist within a unified set of subjectives absolutes. You can, however, educate and guide them towards understanding. Like I said; insults don't oppress, people, people oppress people.

[nakotaco.livejournal.com]

You can't force people to exist within a unified set of subjectives absolutes.

Actually, you can. That's basically what American slavery was.

[(Anonymous)]

And that was, indeed, wrong. Wrongness has foundation on reality, opinions can't be wrong since they have no foundation on reality.

[nakotaco.livejournal.com]

Okay, I don't want to have the same argument with you in two threads, because that's just silly. So I'm going to stick to the other one.

[(Anonymous)]

If your opinion is indicative of your choice to support an evil institution, and worse, you are in a position to influence others, then it can be said that your opinion is harmful, and should be fought against. Because while wrongness cannot be attributed to opinions as an ontological property, opinions have to be taken in context, as in having relations to other entities, if any meaningful discussion is to take place at all. In that epistemological sense, opinions can be wrong.

And if you want to be humored, I can even say that by expressing a hateful opinion, you're violating the social contract you've committed to while living in this society. That opinion can influence your actions as well as those of others, leading to the violation of rights.

[jaquenerd.livejournal.com]

You're splitting hairs, bb.

You think that American slavery was wrong. That is an opinion. If your argument is that an opinion is never right or wrong, then nothing can be considered fact because everyone has a different interpretation of the same events. A person's cultural and social backround also influence an individual's sense of morals. You can't state that no opinion is valid while at the same time judging another's opinion to be wrong and for YOUR opinion that it is wrong to be treated as fact.

I don't know if any of that made sense, but you seem to be trying to run the argument around in circles anyway. :P

[(Anonymous)]

And insults are a tool used to oppress people. You don't oppress others simply by saying, "Lo, you are oppressed." You use insults, and societal and cultural norms, and economic power, and physical force and the threat of it, and a thousand other ways to oppress people, and no oppression takes place in a cultural vacuum.

Look. You sound like a college freshmen flush with the first couple weeks of her Intro to Philosophy course, either that or someone who's just read Atlas Shrugged. Assuming you're in college, go find some older female professors, emeritus aged, and ask them about their time in grad school, and how their male fellow students and professors treated them, and how the insults they had hurled at them affected them.

[nakotaco.livejournal.com]

Actually, I've been out of high school for... four years? Five?

No, you're right, you can't just point a finger at someone and go "You're oppressed!" and they are. But you cannot deny that people's opinions and the things that they say (insults, compliments, or otherwise) don't influence their actions and others'.

Most likely, were I to speak to one of those women, I would find that if Professor So-and-So the Misogynist told them they weren't good enough because they were female, it gave her even more of a reason to want to get where she was going. That man's opinion of her, and the insults that he spoke to her, influenced her actions. Yes, it's possible that because said woman had those things said to her, she found the drive to get through whatever it was, but that doesn't mean that it was okay for the man to say those things in the first place. That's a fallacy.

[(Anonymous)]

I was replying to Anon, not you, and what I was saying is that insults can be used as a tool of oppression, along with a host of other non-physical (and physical) things.

For the extraordinary women that did succeed, yes. But (and I should have said this) the vast majority of early female PhD students dropped out.

[nakotaco.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes. That would be true, I'd agree with you there. (Sorry, I'm tracking this and I can't always keep straight which of these threads is which...)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, but the oppression wasn't created through insults but rather through "power". The insult itself is harmless, it's the threat and power what affected the older female professors. The insults themselves would be meaningless coming from a little kid, wouldn't they? It's the fact that professors threatened them with flunking them what made them feel oppressed; it's the denial of their rights.

[nakotaco.livejournal.com]

...Right, which came out of that person's opinion that she wasn't good enough.


(Also, because I find it amusing, I'd like to note that my father, who is a patent attorney and an electrical engineer and is one of the most well-educated people I know, just came home and agreed with me.)

[(Anonymous)]

No, it came from PREJUDICE. Saying "women are dumb and inferior to man in everything" isn't wrong or evil; transforming said expression into something that guides your life is wrong, but the basis of said action is prejudice and not opinion.

[nakotaco.livejournal.com]

Prejudices come from opinions. They don't materialise out of nowhere. Someone had to come up with the ideas behind every prejudice at some point in time.

[(Anonymous)]

You sound like a college freshmen flush with the first couple weeks of her Intro to Philosophy course

God, took the words right out of my mouth. I was just about to say that F!S really isn't the place to be discussing this, why won't the anon save it for class discussion where someone else would have the time and be in the position to deliver the proper beatdown.

[madamemystical.livejournal.com]

Look. You sound like a college freshmen flush with the first couple weeks of her Intro to Philosophy course, either that or someone who's just read Atlas Shrugged.

LMAO A+

[jaquenerd.livejournal.com]

No offense, but I think attacking someone personally as a way to invalidate their argument only reflects poorly on the instigator. Not to mention takes away from a debate's/forum's productivity.

Anyway, so far, all I'm getting from the arguments by the various anons are that an individual does not have to take responsibility for their actions because it is up to society to accept or condem.

Which is BS. A person's opinion DOES affect how people think and act. Just look at how dictators use charisma and intimidation to rise to power. How propaganda works. How freaking racism/sexism/other forms of prejudice continue to happen. It's because people are TOLD by OTHER PEOPLE that it is okay and they let themselves believe it.

Society is not some massive, thinking organism that decides right from wrong. A society is just a collection of individuals that come together because they share mutual characteristics/culture and are able to prolong their chances of survival by sticking together. You can't blame society for your problems. That's just ducking out of taking responsibility.

[(Anonymous)]

"You can't force people to exist within a unified set of subjectives absolutes."

...What the HELL are you talking about? You've just pretty much defined what racism and sexism do.

[midnight-mischf.livejournal.com]

Well, try a more specific example. Imagine I say you're a stupid dolt. You reply that that's my opinion and I'm misinformed and ignorant. I respond that no, it's a fact, because it's based on the way you have publicly presented yourself.

Now, in doing this, I'm asserting authority over you. I'm declaring that I have the right to judge you and that my judgment outweighs your self-image. I'm indulging in a power trip at your expense: you're less than me, my limited observation is superior to your experience. I've set myself up as the expert on your behavior, the person who defines you. I can't make you agree with me- but you can't stop me from labeling my opinion an 'accepted fact'.

And yes, I suppose you could try to guide and educate me away from my 'fact', but in doing so you step on rather dangerous ground. When you, my established inferior, try to guide me away from my 'facts', you will most likely end up driving more more deeply into them. You're trying to take away my superior status and render yourself equal to me, and I won't have it. Now you're not just a stupid dolt, you're a complete moron.

...And that's why it's bad. People oppress people more with words than with anything else, since the alternatives- physical force, intimidation and threats- can be punished by law. 'Verbal assault' isn't on the books for no reason, though.

(BTW, I don't think you're a stupid dolt or a complete moron, just in case you wondered. :))