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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-02-23 05:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #780 ]


⌈ Secret Post #780 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure]


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[ShakespeaRetold; The Taming of the Shrew]


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[Bones]


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[Torchwood]


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[Skins, Freddie]


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[resized]


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[Nintendo Power, Nester comic]


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[the lonely island, jorma/andy]


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[Are You Afraid of the Dark?]


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[Bill Hicks]


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[Dollhouse]


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[Dr. Horrible]


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[Merlin]


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[Pride and Prejudice]


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[Roger Bart]


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[Demon Knight]


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[Candy]


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[Knights of the Old Republic]


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[Dr. Who]


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[Rockers]


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[Soul Eater]


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[Scrap Heaven]


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[Avatar]


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[Erin Kelly, Loving Annabelle]


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[Joe Biden]


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[Bleach]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 320 secrets from Secret Submission Post #112.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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[identity profile] ronsard.livejournal.com 2009-02-23 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, you really need to watch just what you say. First of all, 'slash' isn't the term you want to use, since its domain broadly covers all fan fiction depicting romantic relationships between same-sex characters. I believe yaoi and shounen ai are what you probably want to be gunning for, as subsets of slash that more neatly encompass the particular romantic tropes you seem to hate. Not to say that you won't encounter said tropes in other varieties of slash, but functionally speaking, slash is usually the term fanfic writers use to set themselves apart from the obnoxious seme/uke tradition. So there's that.

But now let's examine that tradition. You were right about one thing, which is that yaoi and shounen ai are, for better or worse, essentially porn designed for women. I don't believe this was ever even in contention. That's why yaoi relationships have so much in common with depictions of romantic relationships in, say, shoujo - because they are intended for the same group of consumers. And you can say that just because a media product isn't catered specifically to you doesn't mean you have to ignore its flaws, but if so, I'll have to ask if you're willing to criticize all pornography, the main attraction of which lies precisely in veering away from reality. Or indeed, if realism is even your concern at all, in which case you would find that those unrealistic romantic tropes are just as annoying in het fiction. Switching the gender of a character should not be carte blanche for them to be portrayed as the weak and helpless party in a relationship.

So, it seems to me that the only problem you have is that yaoi and shounen ai make homosexual relationships seem too much like the heterosexual variety: in other words, making "men" seem too much like "women". And we just can't have that, can we?
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Re: 127

[identity profile] tod-hollykim.livejournal.com 2009-02-24 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Another thing to look at is the society that yaoi and shounen ai come from. Japanese/Asian Women for the longest time were even more subservient then women in western society, specially American society. That has been changing but the stereotypes are still there. All the writers are doing are changing out a female character for a male character.