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⌈ Secret Post #5369 ⌋

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[fscom]

07. [WARNING for incest]
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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

My favorite ship is not popular. It’s A) controversial and B) niche. A) because it’s incestuous (they’re cousins). B) because the dynamic isn’t romantic in canon. In fact, they barely interact, although their familial relationship is moderately important to the plot.

There’s an adaptation out there that made the dynamic explicitly romantic, albeit one-sided, and either unknown or unrequited on the second character’s side. I LIVE FOR THIS.

What I do NOT live for is how, inevitably, any content I make for this ship attracts a slew of people complaining about the adaptation and how much they hate what it did to the dynamic. I get that the ship is not for everyone, but it’s annoying.

S!B the adaptation’s fandom is small and I don’t want to alienate anyone by complaining, myself. (Background colors relevant to fandom, though.)

[(Anonymous)]

Some of my favorite ships involve cousins. Not saying that's a thing I particularly seek out, but maybe it's no coincidence.

Soooooo, care to share? I can't figure out the fandom from these oblique hints, lol.

Secret OP

[(Anonymous)]

This might eliminate my anonymity, haha, but I can't pass up the chance to evangelize for this show, so... It's the French musical adaptation of Romeo & Juliet, by Gérard Presgurvic, the ship being Tybalt & Juliet. It's had quite a few international productions (Italian, German, Hungarian, Russian, Japanese, at least, off the top of my head), and there are a few different versions on YouTube with English subtitles, if you want to check it out.

Re: Secret OP

[(Anonymous)]

That is fascinating and very up my alley, gratitude!

Re: Secret OP

[meadowphoenix]

huh, I don't ship it, but I don't think it's a crazy read of tybalt at all, and lol @ people complaining about ruining the dynamic, what dynamic?

Re: Secret OP

[(Anonymous)]

"what dynamic?"

OP here and lol, my thoughts exactly. My favorite comment I ever saw was someone saying that the unrequited love angle just made things "too weird" between Tybalt and Juliet. You know, unlike the angle where he's trying to kill her secret husband and so on.

Re: Secret OP

[meadowphoenix]

right? him engineering ways to kill Romeo three times just because he wants to kill somebody is very normal.

eta: honestly op I think this has made me feel like tybalt has a thing for romeo a little that he's displacing with rage, lololol

Re: Secret OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh bloody hell now I'll have Les Rois du monde stuck in my head for the foreseeable future.

Re: Secret OP

[feotakahari]

Makes more sense than that Hamlet adaptation where he kisses his mother.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind cousin ships, either, so I thought I'd mention a couple that I like that I've come across. One of my favorite regency romance books - The Grand Sophy by Georgette Heyer - has one at its center. There's also a Mary Stewart book, The Gabriel Hounds.

[(Anonymous)]

No judgement here, OP. One of my fave couples is Rose and Mac from the Eight Cousins series. Hope you're able to find others that share your ship!

[(Anonymous)]

Rose and Mac! (And a point in history where the controversy wasn't "omg, they're cousins!" it was "omg, which cousin will she choose?")

[(Anonymous)]

Side note, I hate when discussing people from the last few centuries somebody brings up when that they married their cousin and they act appalled and like that person was a deviant. Like, like it or not, that was normal in a lot of places and times.

[(Anonymous)]

this is one of my historian pet peeves! and the attitude towards it is super variant by culture too. obviously there are some biological concerns, in real life, but as long as you're not going full habsburg...

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Weren't the Habsburgs more into uncle/niece marriages?

I've always been puzzled as to how the Catholic Church went from "annulment because you're fifth cousins" to "of course you can marry your brother's daughter!"

[(Anonymous)]

It didn't change! You could pay money to the church and get a dispensation, so if you were marrying your fifth cousin that wasn't much money, but uncle and niece, lots of money (and politics). This is where Henry VIII got into trouble - first he got a dispensation to marry his brother's wife (Catherine of Aragon) on the grounds that they hadn't consummated the marriage (which is plausible but not proven). But then he tried to get an annulment because she definitely had consummated the marriage (again possible but not proven) and the political winds now favoured some of her relatives so the Church said no on their behalf.

[tree_and_leaf]

Although I don't think the fact that he was blatantly trying to have it both ways helped, not did the fact that he wanted it done really quickly.

[(Anonymous)]

It still is. I live in a country where it's perfectly legal to marry your first cousin. And though I have never heard of anyone who has done so, I also don't find it particularly noteworthy if fictional cousins do it.

[(Anonymous)]

And is still perfectly legal in a lot of places. American standards are not universal,who knew. I don't regard cousin ships as incestuous at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, most Americans didn't care either way until the creepy inbred Southerner trope started picking up steam in the 1970s.

[(Anonymous)]

The colors make me think of Word of Honor, ZZS and Prince Jin.

Btw, it's perfectly legal in my country to marry your first cousin. Not considered incest at all.