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⌈ Secret Post #5374 ⌋

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[Doctor Who EU]


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[Logical Journey of the Zoombinis]


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[Project Runway Season 17]


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[fscom]

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[Project Runway Season 17]

[(Anonymous)]

This situation just kinda sucks for everyone all around, and I do feel bad for her getting singled out as well. The fucking assholeishness of the show producers for putting people on the spot like this on purpose.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, as a former fat girl who does cosplay, plus size stuff IS more difficult to make. That's literally just a fact. I have a much, much easier time making costumes now that I'm a size 8 than I did when I was a size 20, so it's not even like her concern wasn't 100% valid.

[capsulecorp_tm]

There is a difficulty level but I would think a professional who supposedly has a full background in fitting AND who has to make the clothing they design would be able to solve that problem faster/on a deadline/in creative ways compared to us self-taught cosplay sewists. I solve problems regularly not jut for my plus-sized clients but also my plus-sized roommate, and yeah, it sure does take time. But it's not impossible. In fact, given the options, it can be delightful, if not challenging. But it's very much the sort of thing one needs a custom tailor job for, it's a lot harder to mass produce things that aren't shapeless knit bags.

I haven't been following PR for years precisely because all they have ever given to the plus-sized fashion realm is lip service, but I'm intimately aware of the assload of problems the fashion industry has in general, not the least of which is their treatment of anyone non-petite.

[(Anonymous)]

(Cozy Werewolf Anon)

PR has a huge problem with the plus sized fashion realm b/c it is so lip service. Season 18 I swear had a similar incident. (And a contestant so out of touch he thought the 1950s was a good decade.) My main issue with it, having gone to design school, is they don't let the contestants bring their pattern cutting books and at the same time, don't provide the right size body forms for the models.

Not every designer is able to drape. Draping is a skill, at least my school, didn't teach as much as they taught pattern making from blocks you make from measurements, and if you have the custom measurements, you can make blocks directly to them fairly fast. But having the books is "Cheating" and it's just. No. Books, like the periodic table, exist for a reason. Let them have them. Then not to give them the right sized body forms, talk about making it three to ten times as difficult!

People want me to go on these shows and I just laugh at them. You have to be in the peak of health and have everything basically memorized. So many of their "Drama problems" would be eliminated if they just allowed the books and more time for challenges. I am there for fashion, not drama! So tired of "pretty dress" episodes.

[(Anonymous)]

God, I hate that stuff.

Let me see talented people do their things, don't make arbitrary dumb rules to force them to fail so there's ~~~drama~~~

[(Anonymous)]

(Cozy Werewolf Anon)

the crazy thing is, there is as far as I know ONE standard womenswear industry book for pattern making. It's Metric Pattern Cutting by Aldrich. (They've put two more out for children and menswear too. And others but err, not sure if you really need them.) It's like 30 bucks. They could SUPPLY it. It's half an inch thick. It doesn't take up any SPACE at all.

It's ridiculous. And think of the home seamstresses and tailors who could GET something tangible out of the experience with standard size charts for Europe/America/UK etc. But no, we must have DRAMAZ.

[tabaqui]

I did not know that bout the wrong-sized forms. That's ridiculous.
I, too, hate the stupid, arbitrary rules about time and whatnot - the whole point of the show is to see if these people can design and make a cool dress/shirt/jacket/outfit/whatever.

Not if they can whip-stitch a hem in thirty seconds. So irritating.

I loathe the fake drama-llama on shows like that, and do a lot of fast forwarding. The amount of crap I skip over in Hell's Kitchen is ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

(cozy werewolf anon)

They shouldn't have to be trying to PAD the body form with scraps and foam to get it the right dimensions. There are dialable size body forms. They don't HAVE to use the standard HARD standard body forms of the industry. Especially when they are being asked to tailor to models measurements instead of "standard size 6 or 8" (It depends on season which ones I see. 8 is what I used at school. And I'm a 6 and 4 sooo. Not making stuff to fit me, that's for sure.)

the later seasons, especially when they started the Tim Gunn save, they have really begun to focus in on the quality of the workmanship. Thus, we're getting all these pretty dress episodes (and often basic sleeveless dresses) because in the 8 to 10 hours they are given, often with a new model each time, that's all they can make in the time allotted.

If they get 16 to 20 hours, then you might see some sleeves or trousers. In that time though, you can either get quality or design. Not both. And if you watch the show, you know what you're getting into, and so I'm not surprised they're having a difficult time filling All Star seasons with people who the audiences LIKED. Rational people aren't coming back unless they're Seth Aaron. (And I am tired of him.)

Course, now Tim is gone and Christian cannot seem to give actionable advice to save his soul. Sooo. I mean, I like Christian. He doesn't know how to give advice so the designers LISTEN. I'm super tired of "Drama" contestants going through while talented designers get cut b/c of bad sewing in short amounts of time. (As a fashion designer, I have feelings.)

[(Anonymous)]

i almost made a secret about christian too, i swear all he does is try and stress the designers out...

[tabaqui]

I just don't get the point. They limit them so severely in what they can do, it gets boring. I guess people really like the drama crap, but omg, i hate it. Skip, skip, skip.

Doesn't leave much to watch!

[(Anonymous)]

(Cozy Werewolf Anon)

I usually just watch the challenge, mood, maybe Christian's Critiques, and then the runway. The rest is usually too irritating. So yes, I'm with you, doing something else or skipping ahead.

[capsulecorp_tm]

holy crap, I didn't know they didn't let them have tools to help, yeesh.

anyway overall gist is yeah I agree with OP and everybody.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, but it's unfair to make one contestant have to deal with all of those things when the rest of them don't. It needs to be a level playing field for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched the show in a long, long time, but omg the manufactured drama of reality television makes me absolutely ragey. And when they try to act like their manufactured drama is some kind of ethical stance or teachable moment? Fuck off so hard with that. I just want to burn the whole thing down.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched for years, but I remember every time they had a "real person" challenge, the winner would be the designer with the thinnest model. Every. Fucking. Time. It was like the judges couldn't cope with clothing made to fit a body rather than drape over a model form.

And yes, plus sized design is a different skill to straight sizes (and harder) but that's why they should give everyone a plus sized model like they did in Project Runway Canada (and gave all the designers a harsh telling-off for laughing at the cup sizes of the swimwear).

[(Anonymous)]

I seem to remember it more being that the people making the clothes just... Weren't great because most of them just didn't know how to fucking put stuff on a plus sized model

[(Anonymous)]

so many peplum skirts/dresses. why