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129. It's really depressing how many people are chiming in to agree with this :/ I would never deny that feminism as a movement has and has had in the past many flaws (some of them a lot more serious and unforgivable than people interpreting media texts in ways that other people don't like), but the idea that you could be turned away from its cause because of them is not something that makes me happy.

134. As a researcher working partly in fan studies, I actually completely agree with you that academic approaches to fandom are far too heavily biased towards sociological and cultural studies approaches and don't pay enough attention to the (imo more interesting) issues you're talking about, and have in fact designed my own thesis in response to that. To suggest that Everyone In All Of Fandom "needs" to care about these things, though...do not agree so much.

150. ...really?

150. haha I thought the same thing

I think the bit where my brain finally gives up is the idea of Light posting this on fandomsecrets.

fan studies

Is this for real or a joke?

Er, for real? Audience studies has been an accepted and fairly sizeable part of literature, film, television, media studies generally for a long time; studying fandom specifically has developed as a branch of that.

It's for real. Here's (http://www.amazon.com/Impressionism-Anime-Japan-Fantasy-Cult/dp/1403962138/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236208799&sr=8-6) a recent book that came out by Susan Napier on anime fandom. Anything by Henry Jenkins also counts, especially Textual Poachers. (No, I haven't read them, but I'd like to.)

Jenkins is much, much love, and comes highly recommended. There aren't many writers in this field who talk as much sense as consistently as he does. He doesn't deal with the kind of philosophical/theoretical issues that the OP of 134 is looking for, but that's more due to a difference in focus, method and rubric than a lack of depth/rigour in what he does.

Thanks!

I admit I'm intrigued by 134 OP's ideas, but I find capital-T Theory as applied here to be a bit incomprehensible. I'm not sure if you've heard of Thomas Lamarre before, but I've seen his name come up a few times. Anyway, we had to read something of his for my anime class, and I had a hard time wrapping my head around it. And I'm usually good at grasping more abstract ideas. :/ I'm wondering if Eco is a little more accessible in terms of the philosophical issues mentioned here.

All I know of Eco is second-hand, I'm sorry, so I couldn't tell you how accessible his writing is. I've heard not very, though :/ Capital-T Theory does really suffer as a result of the style in which a lot of it is written; there's a lot of important ideas that have been written that aren't being disseminated or accepted as widely as they should because they've been written inaccessibly. Honestly, although I'm sure some people would shoot me for this, I'd recommend reading other people writing about Capital-T Theory alongside or even before reading the actual texts. Some of them are written such that it's completely valid to approach them interpretatively, rather than just trying to assimilate the ideas as they're written. There's also, though, a lot of really interesting and complex stuff that manages to be perfectly accessible, though, so tbh I don't think theorists have any excuse :D

/pet subject, sorry

I wish I were you. Researching fan studies - that is like my dream job.

Go for it! It's becoming an increasingly established field, and it's only going to get bigger; if you're academically minded, and you've got an idea for something in particular you'd want to research, there's more and more departments and supervisors popping up who might be able to take you on :) Hell, depending on how old you are, I might end up being one of them.

I agree with this take on the matter.

The other thing about what you're after, OP, is that there's no necessary connection between it and what fandom generally does and is about, which is mostly the analysis of fictional texts. The kind of topic and the kind of line of enquiry you're talking about are, as you say, exercises in aesthetic philosophy, and obviously that's very closely related to textual analysis (and I know I wish that frameworks for analysing character in particular thought much, much more rigorously about that kind of question than most of them currently do) - but when you're working at that high a level of abstraction, any thoughts and conclusions you generate aren't necessarily going to be that useful in terms of actually analysing fictional texts. As fascinating a question as it may be in its own right, there's a limit to how far a theory of how and why a set of signs becomes an image of a human can be used to understand processes of characterisation in a specific text. So disregarding the "shallowness" or otherwise of fandom practices, it seems to me that while there's no reason that the kind of discussion you want can't happen in fandom (and I'm with you, I wish it would happen more often generally), there's no real reason to expect it would, either. Just different remits, is all.

...I'm going to shut up about this now. It's been really interesting to think about, anyway, and thank you for that, OP :)

129. You said it better than I ever could. Thank you.

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